> On Oct 16, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Rahul Goswami via nettime-l > <[email protected]> wrote: > > My thanks to the admins and moderators of nettime, who have given the space > for this discussion which - so far as my limited knowledge of net cultures > extends to - is not a core subject for the list. > > During the last 3-4 days there have been comments on my posts by Allan > Siegel, Ted Byfield and David Opp. What links their comments is the > legitimacy of the state of Israel and the presence of the Jewish people. > There is undoubtedly a historical record that stretches back to remote > antiquity. Insofar as it can be telegraphed, the Hebrews entered the land of > Israel about 1300 BCE, living under a tribal confederation until being united > under the first king, Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as > the capital around 1000 BCE. David’s son, Solomon, built the Temple soon > thereafter. Of all the people who lived in the area at that time - such as > the Phoenicians, Moabites, and Philistines - only the Jews remain today.
Sorry. This is propaganda narrative which ignores the presence of the Palestinians. > > To better understand the Jewish attachment to the land, this is a passage > from a fairly recent volume. > "In 1921, the Jewish National Fund had purchased large tracts of land in the > Valley of Jezreel known as the Emek. The region was swampy and ridden with > malaria and blackwater fever. It had to be drained and cultivated. Merhavia, > the kibbutz which Golda chose because some Americans who had come over with > the Jewish Legion had settled there, was one of the oldest cooperatives in > the Emek. Originally founded in 1909 by members of the legendary Second > Aliyah, it had proved to be a difficult spot. After ten years most of the > marshland was drained, but the original group had been physically broken in > the process." (From 'Golda Meir, Israel's Leader', Marie Syrkin, G P Putnam's > Sons, 1969.) > > Keith Sanborn has asked: "What is the difference between an attack and a > terrorist attack? Wholesale vs retail?" > > Reliable sources are to be found in the legal texts on International > Humanitarian Law. Hamas, even if taken to be a non-state entity or part of a > non-state entity, is considered by all accepted criteria to be fully > accountable under International Humanitarian Law for its actions in terror > attacks (it is a listed terror organisation by the European Union and by the > USA) against Israeli civilians and using its own civilians (Arab > Palestinians) as human shields. Its leadership, commanders, and fighters are > therefore punishable for crimes against humanity and war crimes. The > indiscriminate firing of more than 3,300 rockets into Israel’s towns and > villages violates the rule of distinction in international humanitarian law, > which requires combatants to limit attacks to legitimate military targets, > and there is the difference about which you ask. > > Furthermore, also consult (a) Yoram Dinstein, 'The Conduct of Hostilities > Under the Law of International Armed Conflict' (Cambridge UP, 2004), (b) > Jean-Marie Henkaerts and Louise Doswald-Beck, 'Customary International > Humanitarian Law' (ICRC, Cambridge UP, 2005). (c) First Additional Protocol > to the Geneva Conventions (1977), W J Fenrick, 'The Rule of Proportionality > and Protocol I in Conventional Warfare' (98 Mil. L. Rev., 1982). The point is: The IDF has been engaging in state terrorism for decades. > > Sanborn: "No one has ever tried to sanitize this." > > What happened on 7 October 2023 was the biggest massacre in one day of Jewish > civilians since the Holocaust, and it is the second highest death toll > because of terrorist action after the events of 11 September 2001 in USA. The > death toll is now above 1,300, the count of the injured is much higher than > that number, and there are nearly 200 hostages still held by Hamas. No amount > of academic and activist justification can obscure or distort these facts. > > In a previous post I had written, "In a number of cities in Europe, North > America and Australia, later on 7 October and during the days following, > 'celebrations' for the attack were on public display by supporters in those > cities of Hamas, the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian "resistance"." > Sanborn asked "I wd like to see some references substantiating this." Thanks. I will investigate these. > Here they are: > https://news.sky.com/story/london-protest-thousands-attend-pro-palestinian-march-amid-escalating-israel-hamas-conflict-12984380 > https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-break-up-banned-pro-palestinian-rally/a-67104373 > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/scholz-pledges-zero-tolerance-as-antisemitic-incidents-rise-in-europe > https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/german-police-ban-palestinian-solidarity-rallies-in-berlin/3015651 > https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/israel-palaestina-konflikt-bw-100.html > (protets forbidden in German cities) > https://www.politico.eu/article/france-gerald-darmanin-aims-to-ban-all-pro-palestine-protests/ > https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/les-enseignants-en-premiere-ligne-face-a-la-terreur-islamiste-20231015 > (Teachers on the front line of Islamic terror) > https://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/barbarie-islamiste-mecanique-mortifere-20231015 > https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/10000-demonstrate-in-amsterdam-in-support-of-palestine/ > https://www.profil.at/oesterreich/judenhass-im-herzen-wiens-wer-hinter-den-demos-steckt/402631148 > (Jew hatred in Vienna) > https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/10/12/hamas-attack-harvard-students-blame-israel/71152750007/ > > Rahul Goswami > > -- > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: https://www.nettime.org > # contact: [email protected] -- # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: https://www.nettime.org # contact: [email protected]
