Hi guys,
tone it down. All easy here. I didn't get offended by Christian's post,
but also not entertained or informed. So nothing to get worked up about.
all the best. Felix
On 11/8/24 22:18, Menno Grootveld via nettime-l wrote:
Because Christian did not take anything that Felix wrote seriously and
just decided to make fun of it ('irony'). I think that doing that is
quite typical for people that are only out to ridiculize the opinions
(or feelings) of others, and sadly that appears to be a favourite (and
fairly succesful) tactic of the radical right.
Op 08-11-2024 om 22:03 schreef Joseph Rabie via nettime-l:
Menno, instead of pontificating about things that don’t really have
anything to do with what you are replying to,
please
please
answer the question, why was what Christian wrote “utterly degrading
(sorry, condescending) and abusive language” ?
Changing one word for another does not cancel the fact that you
accused Christian of being a neo-Fascist and FPÖ-supporter, out of
hand, and that you should apologize for that.
Joe
Sent from my lawn-mower
Le 8 nov. 2024 à 21:32, Menno Grootveld via nettime-l <nettime-
[email protected]> a écrit :
Well, as far as I am concerned, there are times that call for irony
and there are times that don't. And these particular times that we
are living in certainly DO NOT call for irony.
I've just been watching all the Dutch media reports about the events
that took place yesterday night and the night before in Amsterdam.
There is much talk about 'deporting' the assailants of the Maccabi
Tel Aviv-supporters and about the need for harder repression and so
on. I fail to see the irony in that, just as I fail to see the irony
in the slaughtering of innocent civilians by the Israeli military
(already for more than a year now!) or in the fact that most
countries in the so-called 'free world' are now governed (or about to
be) by the radical right or worse. Maybe there is some irony in the
picture that was shared on social media after the Trump-victory of
Trump with two guys sitting next to him in his campaign headquarters
watching the electon results coming in: Elon Musk (of course) and a
rather Vulcan-looking type who turned out to be Dana White, the
president of a martial arts company. This second guy represents in my
view what we are up against, and once more, I fail to see the irony
in that.
But you're right, I should apologize. I should not have used the word
'degrading.' I meant 'condescending' instead.
Menno
Op 08-11-2024 om 21:04 schreef Keith Sanborn via nettime-l:
Irony is dead! Long live irony! Maybe the post and the critique were
both? Intentionally or not.
On Nov 8, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Rabie via nettime-l <nettime-
[email protected]> wrote:
Personally I found that what Christian wrote brings a welcome note
of humour, given the morosity of the times. Christian’s sense of
irony is always welcome.
Menno : you find this “utterly degrading and abusive language”, and
accuse Christian of being a neo-Fascist, which is (mildly putting
it) outrageous, and definitely calls for an apology on your part.
The LEAST that you can do is provide an argument laying out why you
find it “utterly degrading and abusive language”. Then we can
discuss it.
Joe
(Je suis Charlie)
Sent from my lawn-mower
Le 8 nov. 2024 à 20:42, Menno Grootveld via nettime-l <nettime-
[email protected]> a écrit :
Sorry, but this is the kind of utterly degrading and abusive
language that makes me a little suspicious: are you perhaps a FPÖ-
supporter? A neo-fascist, in other words?
Op 08-11-2024 om 20:34 schreef Christian Swertz via nettime-l:
Hi Felix,
thanks for the precise overview. I also like apocalyptic
perspectives. The apocalypse is - according to the Wikipedia -
translated to revelation in Christianity. Apocalypse describes
the revelation of divine knowledge. In other terms: Your
description promises the approach of the final truth. Didn't we
pray for this all the time? Redemption is near! And we will see
it happen. That's great! We should storm parliament to get more
momentum to the movement. See you Sunday after coffee at the
Parliament?
On the other hand: Governments have been collapsing since I
remember political events. That makes me a little suspicious. But
maybe this time it will work. To be on the safe side, I will pray
to god and ask for speedy salvation. I just have to choose the
god to pray to. One moment please - I think I have to google that
briefly ...
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