Hi Menno, I think in times like these comedy and irony (as dark as they may be) are coping mechanisms and in fact sometimes the seeds of revolution.
Warm regards, Jaime > On Nov 8, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Menno Grootveld via nettime-l > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, as far as I am concerned, there are times that call for irony and there > are times that don't. And these particular times that we are living in > certainly DO NOT call for irony. > > I've just been watching all the Dutch media reports about the events that > took place yesterday night and the night before in Amsterdam. There is much > talk about 'deporting' the assailants of the Maccabi Tel Aviv-supporters and > about the need for harder repression and so on. I fail to see the irony in > that, just as I fail to see the irony in the slaughtering of innocent > civilians by the Israeli military (already for more than a year now!) or in > the fact that most countries in the so-called 'free world' are now governed > (or about to be) by the radical right or worse. Maybe there is some irony in > the picture that was shared on social media after the Trump-victory of Trump > with two guys sitting next to him in his campaign headquarters watching the > electon results coming in: Elon Musk (of course) and a rather Vulcan-looking > type who turned out to be Dana White, the president of a martial arts > company. This second guy represents in my view what we are up against, and > once more, I fail to see the irony in that. > > But you're right, I should apologize. I should not have used the word > 'degrading.' I meant 'condescending' instead. > > Menno > > Op 08-11-2024 om 21:04 schreef Keith Sanborn via nettime-l: >> Irony is dead! Long live irony! Maybe the post and the critique were both? >> Intentionally or not. >> >>> On Nov 8, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Rabie via nettime-l >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Personally I found that what Christian wrote brings a welcome note of >>> humour, given the morosity of the times. Christian’s sense of irony is >>> always welcome. >>> >>> Menno : you find this “utterly degrading and abusive language”, and accuse >>> Christian of being a neo-Fascist, which is (mildly putting it) outrageous, >>> and definitely calls for an apology on your part. >>> >>> The LEAST that you can do is provide an argument laying out why you find it >>> “utterly degrading and abusive language”. Then we can discuss it. >>> >>> Joe >>> (Je suis Charlie) >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my lawn-mower >>> >>>> Le 8 nov. 2024 à 20:42, Menno Grootveld via nettime-l >>>> <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>> Sorry, but this is the kind of utterly degrading and abusive language >>>> that makes me a little suspicious: are you perhaps a FPÖ-supporter? A >>>> neo-fascist, in other words? >>>> >>>> Op 08-11-2024 om 20:34 schreef Christian Swertz via nettime-l: >>>>> Hi Felix, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for the precise overview. I also like apocalyptic perspectives. >>>>> The apocalypse is - according to the Wikipedia - translated to revelation >>>>> in Christianity. Apocalypse describes the revelation of divine knowledge. >>>>> In other terms: Your description promises the approach of the final >>>>> truth. Didn't we pray for this all the time? Redemption is near! And we >>>>> will see it happen. That's great! We should storm parliament to get more >>>>> momentum to the movement. See you Sunday after coffee at the Parliament? >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand: Governments have been collapsing since I remember >>>>> political events. That makes me a little suspicious. But maybe this time >>>>> it will work. To be on the safe side, I will pray to god and ask for >>>>> speedy salvation. I just have to choose the god to pray to. One moment >>>>> please - I think I have to google that briefly ... >>>> -- >>>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >>>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >>>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >>>> # more info: https://www.nettime.org >>>> # contact: [email protected] >>> -- >>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >>> # more info: https://www.nettime.org >>> # contact: [email protected] > -- > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: https://www.nettime.org > # contact: [email protected] -- # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: https://www.nettime.org # contact: [email protected]
