Hi Armin, thanks for the feedback. And thanks for the recommendation to read Josephine's Berry's review which I missed.
David does, to perpetuate this thinking in camps and then once more sullenly remark how unfair it is that the art world keeps leaving "us" out. I think a bit more self-criticism of the digital art scene is overdue. I don't remember writing sullenly or otherwise that the two camps which Bishop identifies in her Digital Divide essay for Art Forum, was unfair. It was not the core issue for me I was more conscerned with her use of strategic exclusion to rule out consideration of the wider social turn in art and the distorions this gives rise to when she deliberately leaves out works that emphasise Transmedia, research and intervention for (what seem to me) entirely spurious reasons. I simply saw exploration of these strategic omissions of Bishop to be an i opportunity for broader illumination. I could be wrong (I often am) but it felt like an interesting thought experiment.In comparison with this the excluded media arts question seems to me a minor issue. Best David ----------------------------------------------- d a v i d g a r c i a # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org