El 12/02/16 a las 21:33, Geert Lovink escribió:
<...> > Vital European energies are coming from Spain, and in particular > Barcelona. The program centered around Spain. I like to remark that there was a repeated mistake during all the sessions: Podemos was seen like a reference, like The reference for Spain. In fact in Spain, since the Indignados's, we are doing an amazing r-evolution despite of Podemos, surely not thanks to Podemos. The rebel cities of Barcelona and Coruña where yes represented in the DiEM "show", but Podemos was omni-presented in the discussions which will bring all this newly "founded movement" (¿?) to the starting point of killing the energy and action that are really making the deference (in Spain or elsewhere) carried out but the civil society organized (in Spain PAH, Partido X, Barcelona en Comú, 15MpaRato, Agua es vida, Mareas, Marea Blanca...) , to replace them by a poor and banal (yes, Podemos is mainly banal and inefficient, exept some very residual good people there)/macho centric/dogmatic/tech-incompetent/selfpreserving/narcisistic top-down leftish movement :), very poor in realistic ideas and practices. Really nothing new I'm afraid. I'm not sure that this is what we need to have the job of democratizing Europe done ;). And what I'm saying is not an opinion :D. It's science :D, and more precisely statistics: the DiEM event in Madrid is completely cooptated by Podemos. There is no room for anybody else except the useful fools that will represent a devoted and fan-boys like civil society; the real active civil society is expelled by this (see, for example: the camarade Ada Colau, great fighter and maire of Barcelona now, is less and less been part of it; as she said in the video in the soirée, she "welcomes" the new movement, but she doesn't say anymore she is part of it). And no one from the launchers of DiEM (Yanis, can you ear me?) is taking the responsibility to not let this happen in Madrid. Because I think that to have the things done (what was? oh! ya! To have Europe Democratize) good ideas are not enough, specially not ONE good idea. Democracy is only the ability to be together in diversity, to manage diversity, nothing else. We will need someone taking responsibility on the "how" despite of the leftish myths of the openess as a solution (in which the big fish eat the small one = no diversity) and the need to be united (merging in an TM in which, once more, the big fish eat the small one). We should take a great care of diversity to have really new things happening. There were some voices and very interesting people in the meeting during the afternoon previous the show, but what they were proposing, like all the distributed organization that Geert proposes, were really undermined being all the attention driven to the seduction of words and oratorial competition. So watch your back, Podemos could be there ;) and long life to the free culture and hacker philosophy! I hope DiEM get there and become a networked structure with strong methodology. Let me dream :). Simona [thank you, like always, to have been patient with my tragic english] # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
