Hey Nils! I have an anecdote that may be interesting to you. My relatives in China like to say that there are two types of punishment. In the US, people are punished lightly for crimes but the threat of getting caught and going through punishment is larger. Of course, I'd like to add that this is really only true for black communities. In China, everyone knows that the punishments for small crimes are severe but that the police system is also corrupt. The people who get punished aren't really breaking legal agreements between the people and the state but temporal social agreements between individuals. This is what I believe Felix was referring to as a social credit system. Keep in mind that China's recent political history has been very unstable so people do not put their security in the government - that's why the government is able to claim it's ultimate aim of "[strengthening] the authorities’ hands against unexpected social unrest" casually.
Also, both modernity and God has different meanings in China. Western literary studies may not be the best perspective through which to look at these issues with. I'm curious about what it means if China is exporting strict state surveillance as a cultural good to countries like Ethiopia when Facebook has already taken over the world. The PRC has always exported nationalism, Third World solidarity, and socialism to other countries while the US exports corporate control and big data as consumerism. It seems like we are just asking the question of "What is the difference between a country that oppresses its own people and a country that pretends it is democratic but in reality depends on slave labor (in the form of the prison system)?" On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Nils Reichert < guterhundkunterb...@kleinrot.net> wrote: > Hi Molly, > > thank you! > And sorry for the late reply. > > I'm specifically interested in the history of (admittedly mainly > western, even european) subjectivity. > There have been a lot of instances of the police-state in the 20th > century and prejudicial profiling has been a thing since the end of > segregation with e.g. use of phrenology in criminal investigations going > back to the 19th century. > > The aim to know beforehand the behaviour of a certain stereotyped group > or shall we say clientel also easily goes hand in hand with capitalism. > Therefore it can be seen as mainly a modern phenomenom. My current > understandig coming from literary studies implicates that for example > in autobiographic writing, a change took place in the relation between > the subject and the ruler (also: god) during the advent of modernity. > It changed from the former trying to justify its life as part of the > plan of the latter to the subject presenting to its sucessors how its > life could be steered through a greater plan (and prediction!) of its > more global sourroundings. > Now giving the power of prediction back to some higher, not > semantically but structurally esoteric instance, could indicate a > return for bourgeoise culture to the former relation, as indicated > in another threads headline «return to feudalism». > > Deleuze is obviously the right direction for me to look into for an > update on Foucaultian themes. Somehow I wasn't aware of the > Postscript on the Societies of Control. > But it (and of course the further discussiones you linked to) are just > what I was looking for. > > Thanks again > Nils > > Am Wed, 27 Sep 2017 14:33:35 -0700 > schrieb Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankw...@gmail.com>: > > > Hi Nils, > > > > Maybe this helps...with big data, social types can be formed as > > "likely" to misbehave from cross-referencing and aggregating the data > > from facial recognition, for instance - if suppositions about social > > types (are men of color more likely to commit crime? - obviously > > not, but without any broader social understanding of crime, this > > idea gains traction, and their statistical likelihood becomes the > > dominant metric for assuming - based on "collected data" -- this > > "social type" will commit crime or misbehave...Policing > > regimes/systems will track, locate and increase widespread > > surveillance not only upon that "type" but, also, upon individuals > > who fit that description, regardless of their criminal records. Of > > course, this is highly problematic because it means blanket > > surveillance of a social group based in prejudicial data sets to > > begin with...and probably the unjust arrest and punishment of men of > > color. US system already works this way without high-technology. Look > > at American jails. Cookies and spyware and other tracking tools such > > as motion capture cameras which collect motion and facial and > > thumbprint data ensconce users and bystanders in mechanization of > > social control. To me a function of the growing police state, and no > > amount of safety is worth this pernicious separation of 'state' from > > 'citizen'. > > > > But, for readings, I'm thinking of the useful Deleuze presenting us > > with an ideal type for the society of control - the "man in debt" for > > instance... as the > > perfect inhabitant. (great essay by him, Postscripts on the > > Societies of Control. > > http://www.culturemachine.net/index.php/cm/article/viewFile/384/407 > > > > and the direction here - in Trump's anti-immigrant police-state - > > regardingplanned collection of social media data by DHS from > > immigrants, naturalized citizens, and others in US. > > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homeland-security-plans-to- > collect-immigrants-social-media-info/ > > > > or background on business data mining - > > http://www.dashboardinsight.com/articles/new-concepts-in- > business-intelligence/the-realities-of-social-media-data-mining.aspx > > > > or here: rules for data collection from social media on specific > > groups: > > > > https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170926/12215238292/ > dhs-to-officially-require-immigrants-files-to-contain- > social-media-info.shtml > > > > molly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Nils Reichert < > > guterhundkunterb...@kleinrot.net> wrote: > > > > > Am Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:54:30 +0200 > > > schrieb Felix Stalder <fe...@openflows.com>: > > > > > > > As part of a new multimillion-dollar project in Xinjiang, the > > > > Chinese government is attempting to “build a fortress city with > > > > technologies.” If this sounds Orwellian, that’s because it is. > > > > According to the Sina online news portal, the project is supposed > > > > to strengthen the authorities’ hands against unexpected social > > > > unrest. Using “big data” from various sources, including the > > > > railway system and visitors’ systems in private residential > > > > compounds, its ultimate aim is to “predict … individuals and > > > > vehicles posing heightened risks” to public safety. > > > > > > This may be a cultural thing but I'm struck by the casualness of > > > this “ultimate aim”. While a lot of discussions about surveillance > > > still follow the idea of a panopticon, big data could be (once > > > again) a step from avoidance of misbehaviour through predictable > > > punishment to predictable misbehaviour leading to avoidance and > > > self-punishment. The difference is most eminent when it comes to > > > the position of knowledge: > > > I know that I will be seen and I will be punished (but despite all > > > coercion could still decide to misbehave) > > > vs. > > > The system knows I might misbehave and is going to intervene before > > > I make up my mind. (Disobedience is only possible through a loss of > > > self-determination.) > > > > > > > > > Maybe this is nonsense or just common sense but anyway I'd be > > > thankful for any greater outlooks on this perspective, reading > > > suggestions etc… > > > > > > > > > nr > > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > > > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > -- Alice www.alicesparklykat.com
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