Just a few random comments related to the discussion Eric has initiated.

Between 1997 and 2007, Critical Art Ensemble did quite a few 
art/science/politics projects. When speaking about those projects we would say, 
“it looks like science, but its not.” If someone wanted to engage us as 
scientists, we would, but that didn’t make it science. We were not using the 
scientific method to produce information to be reviewed and replicated by our 
scientific peers. Rather we were appropriating the vision engines of science 
that we needed to make a political point. We needed them to lead our viewers/ 
participants to places where they could see and understand their stake in how a 
scientific or a technological development would manifest itself in the world. 
To understand what kind of policies were being made around these developments, 
and to understand if they were in their interest. We were trying to create 
informed (amateur) interventionists regarding key issues that would impact 
society and/or the planet.

One of the reasons we stopped doing these projects was due to the fact that our 
experience of the ArtSci world was that it was not progressive. In fact, our 
experience was that most were unknowing agents for the neoliberals. 
Aestheticizing the domination of nature, acting as lab public relations agents, 
and worst of all making science look mysterious and cultish. “Only a genius 
like myself can understand the mysteries of art and science.”  And people 
believed it. The contempt we had for that attitude is difficult to describe. 
The alienation that they would create was unforgivable. We would tell people 
that scientific work is not that difficult to understand in a general sense, 
and that lab work is little more than following a cake recipe. Not wanting to 
be affiliated with so much of the work that was being generated was why we 
stopped, and returned to doing art and politics without the sci. Perhaps it’s 
better 10 years later. Someone please show me that  my opinion is an artifact 
of the past.

And while I am on ethical bankruptcy, I do think it’s important to address 
educational institutions, because they are bureaucracies that endure even when 
there is regime change. Science, Technology, Engineering, Math (STEM) culture 
as it now exists in the US at tech universities is the worst, and it’s what 
many state universities now aspire to so they can promise jobs to the debt 
slaves formerly known as students. (The Ivy League schools will remain 
universities proper, so the wealthy may do as they will.) In STEM culture, 
students are absolved of all criticality. It’s all problem-solving education. 
Just solve the technical problem, it’s someone else’s job to make the policy. 
If something horrible happens in society or the environment, it’s not your 
problem—it’s the policy-makers problem. And just to make sure you won’t 
accidently stumble into a place where you might have a critical thought, the 
arts and humanities will be purged from the campus. Welcome to Cal Tech (often 
ranked as America’s top university).  We do need to do something on college 
campuses before art is reduced to drawing and art appreciation and English is 
reduced to technical writing courses. The purge is on.

“Amateur” is another term that needs to be called attention to again. In the US 
the term is in crisis. Right now it means that any know-nothing with an opinion 
(amateur) should be considered equal to or better than experts, specialists, 
and those who have reviewed a topic with interest and care so that they may 
participate in a knowledgeable way in debates on the issue (what an amateur 
should be). This is part of the reason the US currently has a political system 
packed with total incompetents. In a moment of total double-think, particularly 
among populists, ignorance equals intelligence and capability.

I am unsure whether ArtSci should be a discipline unto itself. I’m cautious. It 
makes me think back to the 80s when all the radical break-away English and 
Philosophy professors started semiotics departments. Don’t see many of those 
any more.
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