I have tried about four times to unsubscribe from nettime-I Digest. Please unsubscribe me. Thanks very much. Neil Walker nwal...@gmail.com
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Help (J Contreras) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:19:40 -0600 > From: J Contreras <jdelc...@gmail.com> > To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org > Subject: <nettime> Help > Message-ID: > <CAK_E0onwzMsa5Aw3e2uy_cJLzz99x4oqdEp=Uqb= > ewcd_+a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I want to unsubscribe to your mailing list > > El dom., 4 nov 2018 8:21 p. m., <nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org> > escribi?: > > > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > > nettime-l@mail.kein.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > nettime-l-ow...@mail.kein.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Complexity and nostalgia (Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid)) > > 2. Does Nettime have a code of conduct, policies or other > > governance mechanisms? (Ana Ulin) > > 3. Ash Sarkar video (Brian Holmes) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 07:00:59 +0000 > > From: "Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid)" <i.m.ho...@uu.nl> > > To: "nettime-l@mail.kein.org" <nettime-l@mail.kein.org> > > Subject: Re: <nettime> Complexity and nostalgia > > Message-ID: > > <7938e6aff79c1a498fff683c7b09ab0a2686d...@wp0045.soliscom.uu.nl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Lurker here who almost climbed into her pen after many years of silence > to > > respond to A.B.s BS and then decided that he's not worth responding too - > > plus others responded so eloquently already (many thanks Alice, Ian, > > Florian and Nina for your excellent remarks!) > > > > On a related and slightly selfish note, I've been looking for some texts > > that discuss the intersection of > > capitalism/patriarchy/colonialism/racism/technology for a reading group > of > > artists/academics. Have read Sylvia Federici's work which is good but not > > quite satisfying. Anyone any suggestions? :-) > > > > Cheers, Ingrid. > > > > > > Sent from my HTC > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Nina Tempor?r" <nina-t...@gmx.de> > > To: "nettime-l@mail.kein.org" <nettime-l@mail.kein.org> > > Subject: <nettime> Complexity and nostalgia > > Date: Sun, Nov 4, 2018 00:36 > > > > > > > > > > Wow, nettime?s very own James Damore moment - > > And hardly anyone calls him out. > > > > I cannot believe how easily so many people here allowed A.B. to > > intellectually-click-bait > > them into a discussion just because he whispered the magic words ?Marx? > > and ?class?, > > And willingly delivered him material to refine his language for his > > pseudo-philosophical > > White male ?ngst-driven project, > > Even after he had already lashed out in a dangerously generalized way > > against academia, > > After he had already generally denounced identity politics as self-pity > > and whining, after he > > Had claimed gender & race as having no social realities, after he had > > judged the welfare > > State as an infantilization of society and, on top of all, had totally > > ridiculously indulged himself > > In a teenage-like invention rage of cock-culture-worshipping neologisms > > that he obviously enjoys > > To decorate his little short-20th-Century binary phantasy land with. > > > > While a few of the answers with serious reactions to the classism > question > > were really a > > Pleasure to read and very much worth considering under different > premises, > > I don?t understand > > why almost nobody here (except for Alice, Ian, and Florian - thanks for > > your interventions) did see > > The contradiction that the very same people he claims to be wanting to > > work with in that new class > > War he dreams of, get insulted so badly and in a hierarchy-reproducing > > manner, that a future > > Cooperation is being boycotted before it has even started. > > > > Is that really only a sad lack of strategic thinking? Or not rather > > revealing how inclusive his > > New class war phantasy actually is, and whose perspective he expects to > be > > adopted as > > Conceptual lead? > > > > There is a big difference between disagreement and lashing out in a way > > that reveals absolute > > Entitlement, and even worse: the assumption to be ?safe? when stating > such > > stuff in a place > > Like nettime mailing list. > > > > It?s so tiring to be forced to point out, once more, that entitlement is > > key in this problematic: > > > > While Alexander and his followers have very well understood that > investing > > into digital literacy > > Is an absolute necessity if they want to survive in these times, any > > knowledge update in relation to > > Gender & anti-racism debates is shrugged of as community-specific > > expertise (and commented > > With the reproach of having an only self-healing effect) instead of > > understood as the fundamental, > > Constitutive (not so new) change of perspective, without which no > thorough > > analysis of class > > Struggle can withstand. > > > > It was really interesting to read Dan?s report/ analysis of the beginning > > of ?identity politics? in the US > > (In Europe, I assume, this is a slightly different story) and his > > acknowledgement/ claim that it is his > > Generation's own fault not to have passed on the historic context to the > > next generation. > > I would really like to engage in this discussion by asking if it is > really > > about the lack of history in a > > Negative sense, or, if the (assumed) lack of history/ continuity might > not > > be expression of a generally > > Positive phenomenon: the attitude of a generation being sick of any kind > > of further waiting and gradual > > Development, legitimately bold enough to demand full acceptance here and > > now - even if this leads to > > A roundhouse-kick-radicality that sometimes feels moralizing and partly > > unfair even to antecedent > > activists. (And no, I am not part of that generation and often enough > > annoyed myself, but try to > > Understand.) > > > > I?m not keen of discussing it in a context, though, where Alexander Bard > > can blatantly display his near-hatred > > Anger on certain minority activism without being sanctioned, just days > > after a shooting in a synagogue and > > Lethal threats to critics of Trump, with daily Police brutality towards > > POC, regular attacks on homes for asylum > > Seekers in Germany, harassment of anti-Trump academics in the US and > > similar harassments of academics > > Criticising right-wing politics now - even structurally organised - by > the > > AfD in Germany as well, and ongoing > > And normalised discrimination of and assaults on women. > > Incitement to violence is a spark easily ignited these days. > > > > Last but not least, I have the impression A.B. never really had to speak > > up for himself against a mainstream > > Opinion, otherwise he would know how much courage it takes and that it is > > no way just 'fighting for one?s > > Own good? but helps numerous others affected by that norm, and that > > keeping quiet and adapting, even at > > The high price of ongoing unfair treatment, is often the easier way. > > > > It seems to be necessary to point out that repeating just a mainstream > > opinion, once it is tumbling and > > Forced to open up to multi-perspective views, does n o t count as such. > > > > Best, N > > Ps: Alice and Ian, your mails arrived while I wrote this, thanks again > > > > > > Am 03.11.2018 um 18:30 schrieb Brian Holmes < > bhcontinentaldr...@gmail.com > > <mailto:bhcontinentaldr...@gmail.com>>: > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 7:11 AM Felix Stalder <fe...@openflows.com > <mailto: > > fe...@openflows.com>> wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 6:07 AM Alexander Bard <bardiss...@gmail.com > <mailto: > > bardiss...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20181104/6a99193f/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:45:25 -0700 > > From: Ana Ulin <a...@ulin.org> > > To: angela.mitropou...@gmail.com > > Cc: nettim...@kein.org > > Subject: <nettime> Does Nettime have a code of conduct, policies or > > other governance mechanisms? > > Message-ID: > > <CAN36svsMmH2HS68ng3bcF+EmL+UOkHCXcoBN7TXp0hCf9Ld= > > g...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > That is a great question, Angela. I, too, would love to know if there are > > any policy, code of conduct or other mechanism that governs what is or is > > not acceptable in this space. > > > > I've been listening in on Nettime for a few weeks now, trying to decide > if > > it is a good fit for me. The fact that Willem's intentionally rude and > > dismissive response to Angela seems to be welcome here, coupled with all > > the airtime that has been given to Mr Best Intentions, suggests that this > > space is either wholly ungoverned or that such behavior is explicitly > > welcome. > > > > Cheers, > > Ana > > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:21 PM Angela Mitropoulos < > > angela.mitropou...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should give fascists a > > > platform from which to recruit? > > > > > > Angela > > > > > > > > > > > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > > > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20181103/7df0ecb9/attachment.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:21:13 -0700 > > From: Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldr...@gmail.com> > > To: nettime <nettim...@kein.org> > > Subject: <nettime> Ash Sarkar video > > Message-ID: > > <CANuiTgzUYhJ89JyA5Ag0qm9R3Cb-QkKA4qXBiAQ2oY9= > > zi6...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Alexander's positions have been thoroughly critiqued from many quarters. > > After building on those critiques, Ian has just enumerated his many > > reactionary statements. I think it's definitive and I won't engage with > him > > anymore. > > > > Ari just sent in a video where a brilliant young woman, Ash Sarkar, talks > > about the deliberate persecution of black radical socialists after the > > 1960s, and about the way that leftist social movements were weakened as a > > result. She goes on to develop a class analysis which doesn't diss off > > intersectionality (that's the main identity politics concept she > discusses) > > but instead, fills the gaps she sees in present-day politics on the left. > > In the middle of it she invokes Angela Davis, a black Marxist feminist > who > > was not killed in the 1970s and went on, among other things, to help > start > > the movement against mass incarceration which has been one of the key > > forces of change in American life during these last years. The only point > > where I might disagree with her is that Angela Davis has certainly not > been > > forgotten in the US, though maybe in the UK, so in that case, let's > > remember a little. > > > > The difference is: talking about specific people and events in the > present, > > building constructive positions, and covering an amazing amount of ground > > in short words. > > > > Check it out if you missed it: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5_-jA2X18 > > > > best, Brian > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20181103/9ecff8a8/attachment.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > > > End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 134, Issue 16 > > ****************************************** > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20181105/cf84629a/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 134, Issue 18 > ****************************************** > -- Neil Walker 21A Pretoria Avenue Toronto, ON M4K 1T2 416 949-7088
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