On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:35 PM Carsten Agger <carst...@magenta-aps.dk>
wrote:

> I think it's too simplistic to describe the Gilets Jaunes in France as
> the right wing's "future electors out swinging clubs".
>

Carsten, I agree with the points you are making, although you don't see
that in what I wrote. The main line of my argument is that Macron is a
European neoliberal, as the leaders and affiliates of the majority parties
in France, the EU and around the Western world were until Trump and Brexit.
Although I can see it's equivocal when taken out of context, my suggestion
in the line you quote is that until the left recognizes the predicament of
large categories of people who have been squeezed to the point of
desperation by the winner-take-all oligopoly, the squeezed are going to
vote for some version of the far right. I actually think they have no
choice but to do that, and it's good to bring it out on the table - but the
urgent job is coming up with a different choice, before the far right
instrumentalizes popular anger in a devastating way.

You report that protestors have driven away far right groups trying to
join. I would love to hear more about that and what it's like on the street
more generally. Popular rebellion is always the sign of an injustice, and
in this case the injustice is clear, only the mainstream left continues to
make a mystery about it. Guilluy described the geography of this situation
years ago and although his analysis can be improved, still it has been
borne out in much of the world, so it can hardly be ignored. The point is
to be attentive to reality, and one can't do that all alone, it takes
multiple eyes and ears and extended conversations. So please excuse the
misunderstandings and just go further, I'm always interested in what you
say.

Eric Kluitenberg wrote:

"I have one simple question: What kinds of new institutional forms are
required?
Or phrased differently, what types of new political design are required for
a new political ecology along the lines you describe?"

Eric, your question is not simple, it's the thing that intellectuals should
be working on across disciplines. In the US we have seen that single-point
ecological measures like phasing out coal, or attempting to regulate
watershed health through the Waters of America act, or trying to set aside
new natural reserves like the Bear's Ears Monument, have resulted in
tremendous political blowback leading to Trump, which is a scenario at
least superficially comparable to some possible outcomes of the Gilets
Jaunes movement. I know that in recent years you have been exploring a
design-oriented ecological strategy which focuses on the creation of
specific technological forms, and their coupling with specific sets of
behaviors - but as far as I have understood such an approach, I'd say it's
positive but quite inadequate. We are in a period of political stagnation
so great that people are turning in desperation to the extreme right. The
situation is now truly comparable to the 1930s, through of course it is
hardly the same. Capitalist society did not come out of the Great
Depression because of a few ad hoc inventions. It came out of it due to the
total mobilization of science, labor and industry during WWII. The
institutional changes required for that were considerable, ranging from the
launching of Social Security and other welfare initiatives, to the
foundation of the Office of Scientific Research and Development (OSRD)
headed by Vannevar Bush. In short, society faced and surmounted a
potentially mortal crisis. Nobody wants to imagine doing this again, but as
we continue to reject the prospect, the situation just gets worse.

In this regard, the first institutional form we need is a discursive one
capable of admitting, thematizing and discussing the intertwined nature of
the economic and the ecological dead-end we are now in. I'm sure you agree
with me on this, but it remains to be done. There is no way to just come up
with a few good design tricks and spring them on the unsuspecting public
(although that is presumably NOT what you mean by political design, so
please clarify). What's needed is to publicly discuss a broad approach that
has all the scope of a philosophy, all the passion of a myth, and all the
reliability of scientific facts. There is no institution for that. It's not
happening in the university, it's not happening in art, it's definitely not
happening in business or government, and it's not even happening very much
in social movements. I think we have to create this institution by enacting
it informally, and then pushing it towards extensive formalization. That is
already being done to some degree, fortunately, which is why I mention the
Green New Deal proposal and the recent, and startlingly different, IPCC
report containing sociological and economic conclusions alongside
scientific ones. I'm particularly interested in the scientists, because in
the face of a life-threatening challenge they realized that their
institution was not good enough. They would have to seek out economists,
sociologists, development theorists and politicians if they wanted their
truth to matter. How many more disciplines would have to be sought out, if
a revised and expanded eco-technical truth were to actually be brought into
production?

I actually don't think like Patrice, that climate change will suddenly
sweep us all away in a dark storm. I think it's already knocking the hell
out of society and the long, bumpy, violent ride to come, which will surely
outlast my lifetime, has only just begun. The fascinating thing is that
right now we are clearly on the cusp of a new systemic round of
invention/innovation, led and symbolized by AI. However, we remain on the
cusp, because market forces (ie corporate planning departments) cannot
overcome the sprawling social and ecological problems that have built up
under their refusal of any higher-order system steering. Big corporate bets
are never placed in situations of radial uncertainty that only governments
can resolve, so there is as yet no massive collective investment in new
productive capacity. One new design product, the electric car, is being
developed in a concerted, system-wide way, basically because the Chinese
Communist Party took the initiative of steering national automobile
production in that direction, and everyone else felt compelled to follow in
order to retain market share.  But this one product is far from enough to
make a difference, because there is no widely communicable and
implementable vision of a global Energiewende, or systematic retooling of
the world energy system that will power those cars and everything else that
seven billion people demand. In the US, every environmentalist who learns a
little bit about the New Deal, the OSRD etc, says, Oh shit, that's scary as
hell, but we will have to do something like that. I agree, but knowing a
lot more about the Imperial order that emerged from the Great
Depression/WWII, I think that far more critical input is necessary to
construct the next world order.

In the 1930s, much of the progressive social innovation in the United
States was driven by intellectuals within or close to the Communist Party.
I don't think we will ever get the Ministry of Climate Change Economy
without some version of the Anthropocene Socialist party. That's my vote
for the most urgent institutional invention: a fundamentally discursive
formation, able to integrate members from across society, and oriented
entirely toward political action.

Eric, what do you think?

best, Brian



On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:35 PM Carsten Agger <carst...@magenta-aps.dk>
wrote:

>
> On 12/9/18 8:57 PM, Brian Holmes wrote:
> > Thanks for these texts, Patrice. Cohn-Bendit's fears of
> > authoritarianism notwithstanding, it's clear that until the left
> > proposes forms of collective investment that can respond
> > simultaneously to climate change and to the predicament of the
> > squeezed lower classes that Guilly describes, all the front-page news
> > will come from the extreme right -- whether it's their would-be
> > politicians or their future electors out swinging clubs. I read the
> > article in The Observer you suggested, but it has nothing to say, it
> > draws no fresh conclusions from what's happening, it just replumbs the
> > current nadir of public discourse. That's the international
> > head-in-the-sand standard when it comes to actually facing this new
> > phase of an ongoing, decade-long crisis.
> I think it's too simplistic to describe thet Gilets Jaunes in France as
> the right wing's "future electors out swinging clubs".
>
> It is, as Frédéric Lourdon has put it[1], an "uprising not a movement",
> and as such it hold many different currents and thus also dangers, but
> GJ protestors have driven away far-right "sympathizers" many time. If
> you really think the GJ is all about right-wing thuggery and protesting
> against climate change policies, you're believing the smears.
>
> A longer piece in NYT put the uprising into context recently[2] by
> describing its source: A small-town France haunted by deprivation where
> people are abandoning their cars at railway stations for hooligans to
> burn because they can't afford to maintain them. And the anger is
> directed against Macron's iron-clad neoliberal "reforms" which have so
> far consisted of breaking the unions and giving tax cuts to the rich.
>
> And after this spree of spending on the rich, when we want to reduce CO2
> levels, what do we do? Of course, we pass the bill to those who can't
> afford it, to blue-collar workers in a small-town France already ridden
> by deprivation. That's the meaning, or one of them, of the article
> Patrice shared.
>
> In some sense, then, the GJ rebellions inspires hope - as Richard
> Seymour points out[3], the anger of a lot of groups has gone into it,
> and the hope I see is that maybe the people on the floor, blue-collar
> workers and lower middle class, are not going to allow themselves to be
> screwed over forever. Maybe there are limits, even in the UK and US.
> Maybe we'll even see American blue-collar rage directed *against* Trump
> in the not-too-distant future. Meanwhile, the situation in France
> deserves our attention, and not our derision.
>
> Cohn-Bendit is just a sellout, a former revolutionary inventing reasons
> not to sympathize with the kind of rebellion which could now threaten
> the privileges he fought so hard for ever since he settled down and
> joined the bourgeoisie.
>
> In the end, though, I share Patrice's diagnosis: This uprising will
> peter out as Occupy and the Indignados did, and in the end we'll all be
> swept away by the winds of climate change.
>
> Best
>
> Carsten
>
>
> [1] https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/4153-end-of-the-world
>
> [2]
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/world/europe/france-yellow-vest-protests.html
>
>
> [3] https://www.patreon.com/posts/23184702
>
>
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