hello everyone chadley here first thanks to Michael h for responding to my original posting however it still has not solved the problem and i think that the problem is worst than i originally thought here's the situation i have setup mdk7.2 and left out my card (trusting lothar to put it in later) and have setup my kppp and am running it now and netscape is working and so is messenger, if i try to open anything other than netscape it doesn't work , in other words only netscape works while my kppp is connected via my external modem to my service provider (@lantic (as in the ocean)). if i disconnect the kppp connection then every thing else works any suggestions when i am sure that it works ill replace the network card thanks chadley