I wonder how often the word "reinstall" shows up on this list and how many less times it shows up in the expert or cooker lists. I have long believed that "reinstall" was a holdover from our micro-shaft experiences. What do you say about that Denis? Heck I must have reinstalled thirty times when i first got mandrake, until I finally got it going to suit me... Now i have another problem that I will proly have to search the archives for unless i can get help here for... I was logged in as root, (I know, I know… Who could be so freaking dumb,) playing around experimenting with different windows managers and now I can not do anything as root, will not even open a console from KDE or X at all, all I can get to work is "logout". I bet it must be a permissions thing... but I need to know where... Oh well I have already read the news so it's off to linux-mandrake.com. to find some answers. Ed