Mark Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked the question: Do we hate MS software because of Bill Gates, or because of the techical merit of their programmers, or because of it's environment/culture, or all of the above. me says: i hate M$ because their software stinks. i still use Ami Pro 3.0 as a word processer even tho it's 10 years old or something because it does things the word2000 still doesn't do, does other things better, and has much less of a memory load + runs faster. i use to love M$. DOS 6 was great, even liked Win3.1...... PowerPoint is kinda nice, but otherwise -- I just don't like their software. I don't like the features they leave out, i don't like the slowness, i don't like the stupid wizards that force themselves on you. in MS Works (which i do use quite a bit) it continually loses my settings in the "preferences" dialog so i have to go in and change it all back to what i want. this program is on v4.5. by now they should have it able to retain the settings. this is easy stuff..... if MS did what i want, and did it each time, i'd be happy also, their advertising is retarded =) as to Bill himself, yea i talk smack about him, but really. he is the richest man alive. i'm jealous of course, and not afraid to admit it. Bill must have something going on, else he'd be living in a box behind the 7-11. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]