yep, just changed the cdrom for an 8 speed matsuhita and it seems to be a good bit faster... I am hoping that my previous data curruption can be fixed by doing an upgrade for a couple of packages.. see if that helps,, I got a copy of inittab from another computer running the same version of linux, and put it in the corrupted box, and it half worked,,, but not enough to get it up again, just changed the message to some others... fingers crossed.. I have had more trouble on this box then with any of my other installs (probably around 60 now) I thought linux was supposed to be good on older hardware :-) rgds Frank