On Thursday 03 Nov 2005 08:59, Chuck Kerschner wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:08:50 -0800 > > Chuck Kerschner got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > Hi Joe: > > I'll try to say this without wearing out my monkeys. They're > already pretty tired.... > > >>Escooze me, folks, but this is EXACTLY the kind of thing that > >>keeps potential conversions from Winders from happening! > > > > Er, what is? > > This: > > [Quote] (From the beginning of this thread): > > Ok I have tried using urpmi to no avail. I went to the > club website and used the mirror finder and get > nothing. I click on my icon for mkonline and it keeps > telling me I am up to date. I cannot access updates, I > can't find the updates, I can't find a manual site to > download them with. Where the h----- are they. I keep > getting security alerts but have not found a way to > download them. I have been able to get the club- > commercial, club-non commercial, the 2006 site, every > site except the update site. I even tried using the > gui to change the site and still don't get the latest > security updates. Does anyone have the addy to a site > with the updates so I can download them or a fix for > mdonline? I would greatly appreciate it. > Maureen > > [Unquote] > > >>The suppliers of the distribution should be responsible for > >>providing and updating the update mirrors, rather than users > >>barely aware of the existence of a command line having to > >>hack system files they don't even understand. > > > > Glad to hear you are volunteering your time! > > I'm not sure what you mean by this, but by way of clarification, > I came to this list precisely because I am a "newbie" -- and > suffering from a great deal of frustration from both my Winders > and my Linux systems -- for different reasons, of course. > > So if I ever get to the stage where I CAN answer a question, > I will consider volunteering time. I simply haven't the > knowledge and experience with Linux to be able to answer > anything about Linux. I stand in awe of the people who have > created and developed the software which I have only barely > begun to learn to use. > > I represent, if anything, the user who came in fairly late in > the game, starting with DOS 6.2 and Winders 3.11, then Winders > 98SE and missed a lot of the initial pain. I am the guy (among > many) whom you and everyone else in the Linux community wants > to convert to Linux. Having seen what Maureen went through just > to find the location of an update mirror -- > > >>Gimme a break, here. Why would I "upgrade" to a system that > >>requires a hack just to reach an upgrade site? > > > > Hack? If copying and pasting a command into a term is a 'hack', > > then I'm ESR! > > O.K. You can be ESR if you want. What's ESR? For that matter, > what's a "term"? If I assume that's short for a "terminal", I > might be right, or I might be wrong and not know it. What then? > The Linux community is populated with folks who are either in a > hurry or who were more interested in their own thoughts than > learning English in school. Consequently, at my stage of > involvement with Linux, I can't know the difference between an > example code call, a command-line example, or a typo. > > >>How about a simple web page by Mandrivel with all the upgrade/ > >>version choices on it? > > > > You mean like the one Margot pointed Maureen to? > > > > http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ > > Yes. Why is the same information not available from Mandriva? > > When I first wrote, I was not trying to be obnoxious; I truly > believe someone like Maureen (or I) should not have to hunt > around for such basic information which should, in my opinion, > be on the website of the producers of the distribution. I still > believe that, and don't think it's too much for which to ask. > > Time to give the monkeys a break. Thanks to all for what you do. > > Chuck
Chuck I think you are under a misapprehension. None of the procedure in Margot's original instructions are required to get updates for a Mandriva system. Since 2005LE all that is required to get updates is to run the Mandriva update GUI. The first time it is run you will be presented with a list of update sites to get updates from. Click on one, and a list of available updates is presented to you. Subsequently every time you select the update GUI the list of available updates is refreshed. Isn't that newbie friendly enough? The procedure Margot described is a more manual procedure which also allows you to get additional software sources including **unofficial** ones which Mandriva has no control over. Naturally the procedure then becomes a little more complicated. Indeed if Mandriva were to help users install software sources such as 'plf' they may be deemed to have violated the DMCA law in the United States, which may be a bad law, but Mandriva cannot be seen to be violating it. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org
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