At 11:57 AM 10/9/2007, you wrote:
>On 10/8/07, Rick Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I agree that most collected points are good enough.  In fact, I
> > assumed that this project would harness the power of the many
> > computers available on the Internet and use an algorithm that would
> > accept multiple measurements of the same roads and maintain an
> > average or possibly just toss out stray points.  I rather imagined
> > that it would be a database of a huge amount of collected data with
> > minimal human input.  Then computing capability would provide an
> > automatically culled, much smaller data set for users and routing
> > software to make use of.
>
>It's a common way of thinking about things, and there's been many
>projects tried doing this in the past, and none of them got
>particularly far. The way that we are doing things - treating GPS logs
>and various imagery as mere backgrounds to be manually traced over -
>has proven to be stunningly more successful than throwing raw GPS data
>and raw computing power together and hoping for the best.

Yes, I can see that.  It would take a significant effort in software 
design.  However, it would greatly reduce the amount of effort for 
getting data into a useful form.  The current OSM method seems very tedious.


>Perhaps your assumptions about how you thought things were going to
>work made things seem more difficult than they really are.

I have been working with JOSM trying to find a way of putting an 
acceptable amount of effort into converting GPX tracks into OSM 
ways.  So far I have found the software to not especially facilitate 
the task.  I have about 7 miles of tracks which I hand culled and I 
still only have about a mile of that in OSM.  Actually, I have not 
been able to verify that the data has been entered since I can't 
access the map page.  It keeps timing out at the moment.

If I can't get JOSM to work well, I might just work on a program to 
automatically convert GPX to OSM format.  The mass processing of 
multiple collected data sets may not be currently feasible, but JOSM 
just requires too much hand work.  It would take many hours for me to 
make a useful contribution this way and I just don't have the time.

But I am not done trying JOSM yet.  We'll see how that goes once 
things are back up at the web site.



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