Hi Roberto,

I echo Diego's thoughts. Would certainly be interested in knowing more.

​Thanks,
Ramki​

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Diego R. Lopez <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Roberto,
>
> I would be very much interested in knowing more about this approach. At
> the last OpenStack Summit in Barcelona I had the opportunity to discuss the
> approach of a lightweight VIM (or even a general lightweight cloud
> orchestration) for use cases like the one that you mention. We believe the
> current OpenVIM inside OpenMANO is a clear example of it.
>
> Be goode,
>
> On 7 Jan 2017, at 11:52 , Roberto Riggio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I was thinking about frameworks like dockyard. There are many other tools
> (more or less complex)
> to manage containers without going to full blown VIMs like openstack.
> However what is missing is
> a Lightweight MANO to replace platforms like OPNFV etc. il the low-end
> side of the spectrum. We
> are actually working on this but it is still very far from a public
> release.
>
> R.
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM, ram krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Roberto,
>>
>>
>>
>> Valid point. Do you have any specific examples in mind?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ramki
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Roberto Riggio [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:59 PM
>> *To:* ram krishnan <[email protected]>
>> *Cc:* Azhar Sayeed <[email protected]>; Diego R. Lopez <
>> [email protected]>; [email protected]
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of
>> draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should also
>> be extended
>>
>> to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very
>> heavyweight while
>>
>> other management platforms for containers (if they exists) could be
>> executed on low
>>
>> power platforms (which could make sense in some deployments).
>>
>>
>>
>> R.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Azhar,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption
>> is we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable
>> content in the document. We still have more steps like last call before the
>> RFC publication and are expecting good community contribution to the
>> document prior to that.
>>
>>
>>
>> For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration techniques
>> since they are application and deployment specific; for example, a small
>> CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration because
>> of the low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions including
>> references in this area are most welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We will
>> certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack
>> environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and how
>> SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you please elaborate more on the single threading support?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ramki
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfvrg [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM
>> To: Diego R. Lopez <[email protected]>
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containe
>> rs-for-nfv
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Diego and Authors..
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to
>> measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the usefulness
>> of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then fine - if the
>> idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Unikernel and
>> containers then you have achieved it it well..
>>
>>
>>
>> The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed
>> in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address assignment
>> and container networking need further exploration and study. Need at least
>> statements in the document that those are for further study.
>>
>>
>>
>> So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the
>> objectives can be clarified.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Azhar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hi,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption
>> call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe
>> the document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved
>> from an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive
>> discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Please indicate in your comments “support” or “no support” and discuss
>> how this draft will contribute to the goals of NFVRG.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The current draft is available at:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-conta
>> iners-for-nfv/
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Be goode,
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
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