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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Frans Bouma <[email protected]> wrote:

> > AAAAHHHHHHHH!
> >
> > Please Frans, it's nothing personal either, but you're obviously not into
> > *GPL licensing that deep. First the claims about the AGPL being viral
> over
> > web service boundaries, and now you tell people that any contributor can
> > just revoke their contribution from LGPL usage? Please be careful with
> such
> > claims!
>
>         errr, the contributor OWNS his work by law, and if the contributor
> (still copyright holder!) doesn't want to distribute his work anymore, he's
> entitled to do so. How can a GPL license overrule that law? It can't. I
> simply don't understand why you think a copyright holder CANT revoke
> distribution rights of the work he owns.
>
>        About AGPL's clause over webservices, I indeed misinterpreted it,
> you're right, I'm not.
>
> > Once you grant a license such as the GPL or LGPL, it cannot be withdrawn.
> > You can stop distributing it under that license, you can release new
> > versions without that license (if you own all necessary rights), but you
> > cannot prevent other people from using the previously released code based
> > upon the license it was released under.
>
>         It's debatable, as it depends on what you see as 'ownership right':
> if I give you the right to use a piece of code I wrote, and after a year I
> decide to revoke it, do I have that right or not? Only if you received from
> me the right that you may use it indefinitely. For example dutch copyright
> law is written to protect the copyright holder, nothing can be done to the
> changed work without the approval of the copyright holder, this is a
> difference between e.g. dutch law and US law and was also a problem with
> translating the creative commons to a dutch law compatible version.
>
>        \o/ It depends! (where you are ;))
>
> > At least that's what the FSF says. GPLv2 does not have the word
> irrevocable
> > in it, GPLv3 does. It has never been tested in court AFAIK, but the way
> you
> > put it, it looks just uninformed to me.
>
>         I'm not uninformed, trust me. I don't think you're uninformed
> either, ISV's have to be well informed about what licensing is all about
> and
> what the consequences are, for example when someone does work for you or
> wants to contribute code to your project.
>
> > Thousands of OSS projects would be in danger if that was true, including
> > Linux. I really don't think that this is a possibility that should be
> > considered by the NH team!
>
>         look at the (c) of the sourcecode. :) You quoted a header of
> Hibernate, the copyright is with RH, owner of JBoss. This isn't done
> because
> they like to own stuff, but because of that they want to be able to decide
> what happens to the code.
>
>        What I suggested, an NH foundation which owns the (c), you don't
> have the problems arising from 'owner controls what can be done', the NH
> foundation is in that case the owner.
>
> > BTW, we're not safe from patents in the EU:
> > http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/german-high-court-declares-all-
> > software.html
>
>         yeah, true. Though EU patent law overrules a german judge (if I'm
> told correctly!), although it's a troubling progression. Software patents
> will hurt us all bigtime.
>
>                FB
>
>


-- 
Fabio Maulo

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