please correct "solution to a problem"
On Oct 23, 3:04 am, SGK <[email protected]> wrote:
> 1)
>
> Let me re quote your reply
>
> "such things
> are more likely to be developed as an extension of NH, and not an
> integral part of it (and indeed, it seems that there is something
> similar
> in unhaddins project)."
>
> Thats is what I came here looking for in the first place.. and not to
> criticize NHibernate which is not going to solve any problem for any
> one. I might have said something about it but that is not the point of
> this discussion is it?
>
> Now let me re quote what I wrote when I posted my problem:
>
> "Anyone kind enough to suggest a simple workaround/solution/
> pluginable
> component/ or anything which will not disrupt my app architecture and
> do the thing."
>
> see it looks like I am asking for an extention if someone has already
> written it.
>
> 2) I understand I started using Nhibernate even before becoming a
> hardcore expert in it and NH has got a learning curve. But the point
> of posting this problem was to learn more about NH + LazyLoading +
> Remoting. I am so surprised that you folks instead of guiding me to a
> solution and to a way of learning more about NH innerworking, are
> concentrating on what could be useless gossip. See it's not just about
> me or you or NHibernate, it's about problem to a solution. All I said
> was that it should'nt be mandatory for a driver to know how his car's
> engine works or to know how to build one, but a driver should know how
> to drive a car and how to change tiers, replace oil, water etc(which
> I am ready to learn) and when any tool reaches such a level only then
> it is a mature tool otherwise it is meant for experts only.
> My pattern of thinking might not be very much acceptable to you, but a
> good thing you could do is point me to a resource/documentation which
> will help me understand NH's source code or an explanation to it's
> inner design or should I google this??
> Hope I am not asking you to waste your free time... If so then please
> ignore my complete post.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> On Oct 23, 1:54 am, Zdeslav Vojkovic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I believe that most people here will not agree that this is something NH
> > really requires, because most of people which visit this list would not
> > design their app in such way due to a number of drawbacks it involves.
>
> > On the other hand, adding support for every possible way of usage
> > would result in an extremely bloated tool. Therefore, such things
> > are more likely to be developed as an extension of NH, and not an
> > integral part of it (and indeed, it seems that there is something similar
> > in unhaddins project). As in most open source communities, these
> > extensions are typically developed by people who face a specific issue.
>
> > Actually, I am quite surprised that you didn't already received a reply
> > that you would be welcome to provide such an extension.
>
> > Don't get me wrong, i really don't mean to insult, but I don't think
> > that you really know how to use it. NH is a complex tool, and it has a
> > learning curve like many other tools of similar complexity. It is not
> > only about calling session.Get() - there is much more to it. I am also
> > surprised that you haven't noticed such a glaring issue earlier.
>
> > Most of us here made mistakes when we started using NH
> > (or any other ORM, for that matter) and it took time until we 'got it',
> > often with help of this community. It would be great if you would
> > be the one to finish such an extension, and I am sure people here
> > would be glad to help you. You would also learn a lot about NH in process.
>
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:13 PM, SGK <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I understand that there is no simpler solution to this problem, but I
> > > wrote this post to check if any simpler solution already exists. It's
> > > really upsetting when you put lots of hardwork into something and
> > > finally notice a simpler solution already existed. I do not know if my
> > > work deserve's to be called an architecture but I wrote this post
> > > because my architecture is going to take care of such things. This
> > > post is all about a problem that I am facing (which will be sorted out
> > > soon) and a solution from someone who has also been into such
> > > situation so that I do not need to reinvent the wheel. Probably I made
> > > my problem sound very important but thats because I want nh community
> > > and it's developers to notice what nh is lacking and although it has
> > > everything built into it, but one small problem can disrupt the very
> > > purpose of projects like NHibernate. After all I am not supposed to
> > > know how Nhibernate works, I should just know how to use it. Hope you
> > > agree!!
> > > Thanks anyways
>
> > > On Oct 20, 4:22 am, José F. Romaniello <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >> "Something that doesn't take care of such things doesn't deserve to be
> > >> called architecture."
>
> > >> You have a "jenga"/"yenga" architecture, so you will not get a
> > >> simpler/pluggable/[put pretty words here]
> > >> solution.http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga
>
> > >> <http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga>I don't know if this game exists in
> > >> other countries.. but the gif is very explanatory.
>
> > >> 2009/10/19 SGK <[email protected]>
>
> > >> > I am at a stage in my project where I cannot chnge to another ORM. My
> > >> > application looks like :
>
> > >> > 1) Windows Forms - Presentation Layer
> > >> > 2) BusinessObjects-Entities/Custom,Generic-
> > >> > BindableAndFilterableCollections/EntityMappings -Serializable objects
> > >> > 3) Server - DataRepository/UserAuthentication etc uses NHibernate -
> > >> > MarshalByRef objects
>
> > >> > Business objects are transfered from server to windows client via .Net
> > >> > Remoting 2.0. Many objects have properties that are associated to
> > >> > entities which are very large like images and documents.
>
> > >> > LazyLoading is very compulsary otherwise it will seriously degrade my
> > >> > application performance.
>
> > >> > Anyone kind enough to suggest a simple workaround/solution/pluginable
> > >> > component/ or anything which will not disrupt my app architecture and
> > >> > do the thing.
>
> > >> > Thanks in advance..
> > >> > Regards,
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