No, that's another story altogether. The small displacement multi's were still part of the racing program. The opposed four / six came much later as they invested heavily in the large touring market.
--- On Sat, 1/2/10, stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:58 PM Yeah - like the 50cc six cylinder engineering exercise, a machine that sorta lead to the big six opposed cruiser... From: Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 3:06:43 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update Pedestrian motorcycles for the street were of no interest to Honda. The racing programs at MV Agusta and such did... Stuff we never saw here. Honda's street bikes are a "trickle down" from development projects. To justify expenses, they produce a marketable version. All the inline fours have Italian heritage. The V-twins however, come from a marketing request. For awhile we thought that Honda was headed in the right direction with the 600 v-twin Hawk. Maybe, just maybe a Ducati inspiration ? What a neat little bike ! Fetch big bucks around here. The "Barbie-ceptor" definitely made us think Ducati. A 250 v-twin with a fairing ? Then there was that pastel color thing to consider. --- On Sat, 1/2/10, stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 3:43 PM In Arizona back then, there weren't any Italian twins, just Triumphs; so the resemblance, which was not accurate with regards to the Triumph and puzzled me somewhat, now I understand... I do remember a Ducati single, but it was just a half a Honda engine..And that's just in retrospect here... From: Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update There was a vertical twin 650 Yamaha that was almost a clone of a Triumph. Early Honda's are mostly based on Italian designs. All the way up to and including the first 750/4. Other noteworthy attempts at cloning those sorts can be found in the Kawasaki twins W1 and W2. --- On Sat, 1/2/10, stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 2:49 PM I was not referring to the top speed: in circuit races, the Norton wasn't as fast as the Triumph, but handled better. An experienced rider could beat a Trump because of the handling. Straightaway, yes, the Trump was faster. But we're talking back when Norton was a 500cc, and Triumph - well, I don't remember exactly the displacement, but I think it was 650. It didn't have the handling of the Norton back then. The new ones built since the "re-birth" handle better and have fewer problems with the electrics. If you recall, the workers, after they out-priced the bike with the amount they extracted in labor, tried to make a go of it, and still could not, so there were no more Triumphs for a good while. Norton, on the other hand, never came back. I used to wonder about the resemblance of early twin Hondas to Triumph... From: Kim Paddock <kimpadd...@ymail.com> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 12:30:05 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update Really? I never heard of a Norton Bonneville. Condensed history of the Triumph Bonneveille: September 1955: Johnny Allen sets the record with a two-way average speed of 193.3 MPH. September 1956: Johnny Allen takes back the record with a two way average speed of 214.17 (and NOT from a norton). 1962: Bill Johnson sets a record with a two way average speed of 230.269 MPH. 1966: Bob Leppan sets a record with a two way average speed of 245.66 MPH (albeit he used two 650 Bonneville engines to accomplish this). For the next few years Triumph fitted the Bonneville Roadsters with "World's Fastest Motorcycle" stickers. I love a good debate...send me something....I know you will ;) From: stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 9:38:16 AM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update The Bonneville 650 may have been fast, but the Norton handled much better and could beat it in races. Some of them liked to put a 650 engine in a Norton frame over there for the races... Stanley From: Graham Rogers <graha...@ptd.net> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 12:45:30 AM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update by the name of John Britten ... On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Kyle Munz wrote: Yes, but that was a kiwi pushing it that fast. -Kyle On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Kim Paddock <kimpadd...@ymail.com> wrote: Let's see...they both drive on the wrong side of the road, so that's not it...their bikes are backwards too so that's not it...Oh Yeah! The British actually made a bike that held records for speed at the salt flats! Triumph "Bonneville" 650! From: Graham Rogers <graha...@ptd.net> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 9:03:21 AM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update does anyone know the difference between the English and the British...? On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Kim Paddock wrote: O.K Dennis....please do tell...I want to know if the English are more clever than the British.. From: Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> To: nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:53:38 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update Gee, are cables for that still available ? I haven't checked in a long time. Scuffing on the jackets is not a problem. There is a really neat method used by the English to lube cables. I can write it out if you want to know. --- On Thu, 12/31/09, NghthwkLvr (NL) <ehcavig...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: NghthwkLvr (NL) <ehcavig...@yahoo.com> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:04 PM hello group....and happy new year to all of you... just wanted to update you on my carb cleaning project...almost finished and ready to reinstall...need to get them in before mlk day (jan.18) because i go back to being a full time student on the nineteenth...so with that said... as of today I have them set out in an upright position with a fuel supply, checking for leaks...as suggested by Dennis.... internally, i have done all the necessary cleaning, unclogging and deglazing and they are looking pretty sparkly and shiny...on the inside.... the external housing is a different matter though...there are a lot of little crooks and crevices that I just can't get to to degrime....I am planning on using compressed air, engine degreaser, pressurized water, and wd-40 to try to take care of the external cleaning...HOWEVER... I read somewhere on the web, that soaking the carbs in boiling lemon water for about 20 minutes would externally clean them right up....so...what do y'all think....would y'all recommend this method or not....would/could anything get damaged by this method? second, I was setting the carb assembly upright to check for leaks and kinda noticed that the throttle cables are a bit on the worn side...looks like they're the originals from back in 1984...so should/ can I go ahead and replace them or just give them a good cable cleaning/lubricating? any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated....thanks guys! NghthwkLvr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lov...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.
