I would love a decently powered electric bike to commute on! It needs to be able to get to 60 mph quickly in order to do one stretch safely, other then that my 4 mile commute is 30 mph max and my scooter does that perfectly! And I still have my goldwing for the long weekend trips... same with an electric, commute on the gas saver, cruise in comfort. Why do we need one bike to fit every roll when you can have one for each roll? On Nov 30, 2014 12:46 PM, "Kurt Nolte" <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Allen, you're falling into a classic stance. Because an electric bike > won't meet your wants, it's somehow not a "real bike." It's for "city > dwellers and commuters" only, in other words (not yours) "not real riders." > Much like people dismiss electric cars because they can't go on long trips, > electric bikes NOW actually suit a sizable percentage of the riding > public's habits. A smaller percentage in NA, but include "around the world" > to watch the percentage skyrockets. > > A new CBR600 won't get 250 miles (52+ mpg) of neck-wringing on a tank > either; why does an electric have to meet that standard? > > -Kurt > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Allen Thomas <althomas...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> But your limited to 100 miles this is about 1/2 to 1/3 the miles I'll put >> on a bike is I go on a joy ride with my friends. And I doubt that it has >> the power of a cbr600 or if it does it won't give you 100 miles of hard >> riding. To me the CBR is more attractive. Electrics are limited to >> commuting duty and city dwellers, or at least the ones that are affordable >> are. When the have one that is equivalent to a 120HP sport bike that has a >> range of 250 miles of wringing its neck, and costs equivalent to a gas >> model, then I'm in. But I'm afraid they need to come up with a better >> battery chemistry than what is available now to make that a reality. >> Currently a bike like I just described would be massively heavy. >> >> Allen Thomas >> On Nov 29, 2014 11:02 AM, "Kurt Nolte" <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> My point was that electric bikes are already fairly mature. This isn't >>> electrification of 10 years ago. A reasonably sporty electric bike with an >>> 80-100 mile range is only ~$13k. What's a CBR600 go for new these days? >>> $11k? Not having to fuel and oil change the electric will make up that >>> difference in a reasonable amount of time. I imagine insurance on the >>> electric is cheaper too. >>> >>> Kurt >>> On Nov 29, 2014 7:55 AM, "Allen Thomas" <althomas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not dismissing them as viable tech, electrics can exceed IC in >>>> performance. The limitations are range due to battery capacity and recharge >>>> times. But the cost is still higher. I watched the conversion to electric >>>> happen on the small scale with R/C airplanes. It was super expensive and >>>> kind of crappy compared to IC 10 years ago. But as tech evolved more ppl >>>> adopted it and now I'd say IC is the minority tech. >>>> >>>> Allen Thomas >>>> On Nov 28, 2014 10:35 PM, "Kurt Nolte" <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've been on the Brammo, it's definitely not gutless and the range is >>>>> ~100 miles to a charge. No, it's not a touring bike, but it's a great >>>>> cruise around town bike and it isn't but a grand or two more than a >>>>> comparably powered naked bike. >>>>> >>>>> I've heard nothing but good things about the Zero bikes on the power >>>>> and range front. There are a couple local students who do their school >>>>> commutes on them. They have the short 65 mile range versions, but these >>>>> are >>>>> twenty somethings who can't find anything to complain about on their >>>>> bikes. >>>>> >>>>> There will always be people who dismiss them as not being "real" >>>>> motorcycles, just like people dismiss the Leaf as "not a real car." >>>>> >>>>> Kurt >>>>> On Nov 28, 2014 9:26 PM, "Allen Thomas" <althomas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Not if you want something that isn't gutless, and has decent range, >>>>>> you can spend easily 10K doing a conversion that is comparable to a real >>>>>> motorcycle. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The tech is already pretty inexpensive. You can get them for <15k >>>>>>> now, even ones with 100+ mile ranges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kurt >>>>>>> On Nov 28, 2014 6:23 PM, "Kyle Munz" <kyle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you got $30K laying around this one might be accessible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz1aTLBKIoQ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Kyle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Allen Thomas < >>>>>>>> althomas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope they sell a ton of them and make the tech more accesable to >>>>>>>>> the average Joe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Allen Thomas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit 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