Al Hart notes that with mid-toned foliage and white birds, the camera exposes for the foliage and ignores the birds, which therefore come out overexposed. I think that's the right thing to do. The result should be a picture of mid-toned foliage with white birds. If the camera exposed for the birds, the result would be a picture of nearly black foliage with mid-toned grey birds. Would that be an improvement? -- Andrew Koenig, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.research.att.com/info/ark