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On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Csaba Toth <csaba.toth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for drawing my attention to this software. When I installed Linux > on my new laptop I decided to go with Ubuntu Studio. One reason is Xfce, > and I thought I may benefit from the rest later. > I need to edit some videos I recorded with GoPro. GoPro's editor would be > enough for me, but it requires so much free space, that I could not > actually perform the edit half year ago (I had more than 200 GB free for ~ > 5 minutes video, still wasn't enough). > I looked at Ubuntu Studio's editors, I ran into this: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2307409 > > Looks like I gonna actually use cinelerra! I've found many tutorial > videos, etc. > > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Michael L <helpwithmath...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> In case anyone is interested in a Video editor that "I think" runs on >> Linux (purdy sure Cinelerra does, if not, Lightworks will run on Linux, Mac >> or Windows) >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: >> Date: Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:08 PM >> Subject: FW: Cinelerra Newsletter - December 23, 2015 - Volume 2 - Issue 5 >> To: helpwithmath...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "CINELERRA" <l...@cinelerra.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 7:53am >> To: "Michael" <vi...@graceandtruth.net> >> Subject: Cinelerra Newsletter - December 23, 2015 - Volume 2 - Issue 5 >> >> This email contains graphics, so if you don't see them, view it in your >> browser >> <http://cinelerra.org/2015/index.php?option=com_acymailing&ctrl=archive&task=view&mailid=17&key=g06JXaNz&subid=6292-7nBc25ySh72k9L&tmpl=component> >> [image: - - -] Cinelerra.Org Newsletter December 23, 2015 - Volume 2 >> - Issue 5 News Newsletter >> >> A new update was released on-line today. You are welcome to download at >> your convenience. >> >> Share with your friends, if you have any who care. And if you are >> motivated to be helpful, let us know. >> >> A new change creates automatic screen scaling. >> >> FFMPEG has been updated many, many times since its introduction in >> mid-2015. >> >> In this new update, many new FFMPEG filters have been added. >> >> 20 - Audio >> 53 - Video >> >> >> Edit 4K full frame. Yeah, that is right. With the introduction of FFMPEG, >> you can edit full frame 4K in Cinelerra, as created by those of us at >> Cinelerra.Org. You cannot find it anywhere else with free software. >> >> We have been working on a plan to integrate the editor within a >> professional film and broadcast studio. If you are a professional and find >> this direction interesting, contact supp...@cinelerra.org. >> >> If you have any motivation to actually help with a better translation for >> the language you prefer, please let us know. Since we only develop the >> application from the United States, we only support English. But, we could >> be motivated to work with you if you are so inspired. Otherwise, please >> enjoy the program on your own. Here at Cinelerra.Org, we are not fan club >> of amateurs or website squatters, we are striving to create a professional >> caliber package, whether we call it Cinelerra now or something else, later >> on. If you wish to read about how Cinelerra was created, read this website. >> >> Also, due to the fact that FFMPEG is now front and center in the file >> probe, the number of available codec formats is massively higher, both for >> encode and decode. Broadcast tv capture is so efficient that I use it on >> an old laptop. The >> record/capture can scan the digital tv channels for program events and >> automatically setup record captures, which can be uses routinely as a sort >> of TIVO. DVD and BLURAY now are nearly a button press. >> >> Yes, we know Cinelerra needs a lot of work to be competitive with >> professional packages and we know what is required to bring it up to those >> standards. >> >> So, download it for free and enjoy it....Yes Virginia, there is a Santa >> Claus. >> >> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and God Bless America. >> >> The following are the inclusions and updates and fixes which went into >> Cinelerra 5.0 in 2015. >> >> New Plugins: >> >> cinelerra 5.0 >> >> blondtheme bluebanana bluedottheme C41 deinterlace-cv echo echocancel >> >> edge greycstoration libeffecttv reroute rgbshift yuvshift >> >> ladspa >> >> alias allpass allpass allpass am_pitchshift amp analogue_osc >> bandpass_a_iir >> >> bandpass_iir bode_shifter bode_shifter_cv butterworth butterworth >> butterworth >> >> chebstortion comb comb comb comb comb_splitter const crossover_dist >> dc_remove >> >> decay decimator declip delay delay delay delayorama diode divider dj_eq >> >> dj_eq dj_flanger dyson_compress fad_delay fast_lookahead_limiter flanger >> >> fm_osc foldover foverdrive freq_tracker gate giant_flange gong gong_beater >> >> gsm gverb hard_limiter harmonic_gen hermes_filter highpass_iir hilbert imp >> >> impulse inv karaoke latency lcr_delay lowpass_iir ls_filter matrix_ms_st >> >> matrix_spatialiser matrix_st_ms mbeq mod_delay multivoice_chorus notch_iir >> >> phasers phasers phasers pitch_scale pitch_scale plate pointer_cast >> >> rate_shifter retro_flange revdelay ringmod ringmod satan_maximiser sc1 >> >> sc2 sc3 sc4 sc4m se4 shaper sifter sin_cos single_para sinus_wavewrapper >> >> smooth_decimate split step_muxer surround_encoder svf tape_delay transient >> >> triple_para valve valve_rect vynil wave_terrain xfade xfade zm1 >> >> ffmpeg >> >> adelay aecho aeval afade allpass aphaser aresample bandpass >> >> bass biquad chorus compand dcshift earwax equalizer flanger >> >> owpass treble boxblur colorbalance colorchannelmixer colorkey >> >> s colormatrix crop deband deflate dejudder delogo deshake >> >> rawbox drawgrid edgedetect eq erosion fade fspp gradfun hflip >> >> togram hqdn3d hqx il inflate kerndeint lenscorrection mcdeint >> >> se owdenoise perspective phase pp pp7 removegrain rotate sab >> >> spp stereo3d super2xsai swapuv transpose unsharp uspp vflip >> >> br yadif >> >> Checkin log >> >> add scaled icon data >> >> change to fixed rate refresh stratigy for vicons >> >> add refresh rate to vicons + a bunch of bug fixes >> >> fixes and upgrades for vicons >> >> add adams 4.6->4.6.1 (mostly) >> >> fixes for vicons checkin >> >> add vicons >> >> fix bad widget placement in perfprefs >> >> remove filefork >> >> add LastFrame plugin, add bld_scripts >> >> add loader crutches for ubuntu >> >> fplugin fix for framedrop playback >> >> add ffmpeg filters as plugins >> >> fix nvidia gl lock problem, update active vwindow tests >> >> fix segv in formattools for record format ffmpeg >> >> add ffmpeg indexing >> >> upgrade to ffmpeg-2.8 >> >> move aspect ratio fixex, better get_info, fixes for ffmpeg asset detection >> >> aspect ratio fixes for dvd/bd create, TZ fix >> >> remove old quicktime, replaced with current ffmpeg >> >> bunch of small fixes, add msg.txt to about prefs >> >> sync to last commit on google_code >> >> fixups for plugins interpolate, c41 >> >> so long, Michael Niedermayer... and thanks for all the fish!!! >> >> fixed for v4l2 captures, add colormodel uyuv >> >> centos build workarounds >> >> add missing ffmpeg encoder flush, bdwrite leaks + fixes >> >> add bluray support, add dialog close fixes, scale fix >> >> add shell menu btns, add manual >> >> repair flickering video encode, bug created last checkin >> >> allow ffmpeg video to resample curr_pos, add bluray format >> >> allow ffmpeg video to resample curr_pos, add bluray format >> >> update internationalization data >> >> disable XftFontClose calls to avoid bug in X >> >> remove russian for now, xlat is incorrect >> >> improve ffmpeg err reporting, fix repeated audio on ffmpeg decode data >> err, replace ff icon data >> >> clipedit remove vs delete >> >> increase vorbis READ_SIZE, check get_next_page failure >> >> change CINELERRA_VERSION to 5.0 >> >> add main menu ffpeg early probe toggle >> >> setformat set_done in destructor >> >> add single threading lock to init_xft >> >> add warn window >> >> add ffmpeg probe update index rebuild warning >> >> upgrade ffmpeg/x265, guard avcodec_flush_buffers, filebox fixups, remove >> unused grid widget >> >> add ffmpeg dvd render option, fix undo deadlock, fix a few plugin >> interface gaffs >> >> add buffer flush to ffmpeg seek, clear loop_session on load replace mode >> >> fixup qt raw formats >> >> add u2b format type, tweak j2k, mjpg. rm raw_gray >> >> mods to ffmpeg default codec param strategy >> >> ffmpeg load_defaults, create default codec file def >> >> improve ffmpeg format selection popup menu, more ffmpeg audio fixes >> >> vorbis bld msgs, ffmpeg one frame/frame flush bug, ffmpeg audio history >> fixes >> >> several bug fixes and minor feature changes: >> >> vwindow close while playback active >> >> format tools segv in preferences >> >> 1 frame video files are stretchable >> >> opengl deadlocks reworked >> >> added kernel version to dmp file >> >> better dialog thread cleanup >> >> nix startup on theme fail, fixes for font init and titler color model >> >> title keyframe fix and font lookup fixes >> >> fixed for v4l2 captures, add colormodel uyuv >> >> centos build workarounds >> >> add missing ffmpeg encoder flush, bdwrite leaks + fixes >> >> rename to current version >> >> add bluray support, add dialog close fixes, scale fix >> >> add shell menu btns, add manual >> >> repair flickering video encode, bug created last checkin >> >> allow ffmpeg video to resample curr_pos, add bluray format >> >> update internationalization data >> >> disable XftFontClose calls to avoid bug in X >> >> remove russian for now, xlat is incorrect >> >> improve ffmpeg err reporting, fix repeated audio on ffmpeg decode data >> err, replace ff icon data >> >> clipedit remove vs delete >> >> increase vorbis READ_SIZE, check get_next_page failure >> >> change CINELERRA_VERSION to 5.0 >> >> add main menu ffpeg early probe toggle >> >> setformat set_done in destructor >> >> add single threading lock to init_xft >> >> add warn window >> >> add ffmpeg probe update index rebuild warning >> >> upgrade ffmpeg/x265, guard avcodec_flush_buffers, filebox fixups, remove >> unused grid widget >> >> add ffmpeg dvd render option, fix undo deadlock, fix a few plugin >> interface gaffs >> >> add buffer flush to ffmpeg seek, clear loop_session on load replace mode >> >> merge with http://cinelerra.org/git-repo/cinelerra >> >> fixup qt raw formats >> >> add u2b format type, tweak j2k, mjpg. rm raw_gray >> >> mods to ffmpeg default codec param strategy >> >> ffmpeg load_defaults, create default codec file def >> >> merge with http://cinelerra.org/git-repo/cinelerra >> >> improve ffmpeg format selection popup menu, more ffmpeg audio fixes >> >> ffmpeg load_defaults, create default codec file def >> >> mods to ffmpeg default codec param strategy >> >> vorbis bld msgs, ffmpeg one frame/frame flush bug, ffmpeg audio history >> fixes >> >> several bug fixes and minor feature changes: >> >> vwindow close while playback active >> >> format tools segv in preferences >> >> 1 frame video files are stretchable >> >> opengl deadlocks reworked >> >> added kernel version to dmp file >> >> better dialog thread cleanup >> >> nix startup on theme fail, fixes for font init and titler color model >> >> title keyframe fix and font lookup fixes >> >> add more clipping to bccmdl/bcxfer >> >> a few fixes and improvements >> >> upgrade ffmpeg->2.7, x265->1.7 >> >> a few vcodec fixes, more to follow >> >> big haircut, minor fixes to ulaw, audio, removed ilace, fileyuv >> >> still more quicktime fixes and upgrades, lame -O3 to -O (that is lame) >> >> more quicktime fixes and upgrades >> >> bunch of quicktime fixes and improvements, a few icons >> >> repair forking bug, closed forker reused >> >> french xlat update from Henri Bauer >> >> new build sys lib ref in esound build >> >> fix quicktime rawaudio >> >> cleanup of quicktime + a few qt fixes, reduce build strength for >> thirdparty statics >> >> fix blunder in overlayframe >> >> repair break in init_plugins, plugins dir relative, record_video deadlock >> >> repair break in fileac3 create by ffmpeg upgrade >> >> missed the mpeg encoder plugins in the great plugin migration >> >> add ffmpeg opts for for filters, duration. add h264 preset >> >> fix audio frame drop during ffmpeg encode, rework ffmpeg flow control >> >> fixup delete plugin edge cases >> >> ubuntu build cleanup for last mod >> >> revitalize ladspa >> >> add greycstoration plugin, add rgb planar color models, add plugin >> visibility filters >> >> more suse build mods >> >> centos build tweaks >> >> stop building/installing festival, cleanup >> >> stop building/installing festival >> >> create debuginfo/ strip objs, add proc/maps to dmp file >> >> prevent stop_playback from deadlocking load_filenames >> >> fix problem with openjpeg, add static_libraries to cinelerra/pluggin make >> >> more ffmpeg fileffmpeg work, add some presets, add openjpeg >> >> bug fix for aud/vid asset flag test in ffmpeg encode, add mp3 audio fmt >> >> fixes for file forking >> >> build tweak for ubuntu >> >> rewrite for BC_CModels::transfer (for 16-bit), more gl_wdw delete fixes >> >> push Einar Ronkarue utf-8 clipboard mod from the fanclub version >> >> missed build dep for fdk in mpeg2enc >> >> upgrade libvpx, add aac fdk codec, encoder flow ctrl >> >> rework select_asset, get_audio_for_video >> >> rework select_asset for better asset reconfiguration >> >> rework decoder, add more frame sizes >> >> add muxer to ffmpeg encoder logic >> >> dial in centos build, change bc_sync wdw del lock strategy >> >> upgrade thirdparty src, update configure/make files, fixes >> >> delete old libtheora, libvorbis, libogg >> >> upgrade ogg, vorbis, theora. sync subwindow creation >> >> build tweaks for centos >> >> fix static build dep jpeg >> >> rework ffmpeg: added encoder upgraded decoder. numerous minor fixes >> >> repair x_error_handler err msg reporting >> >> added a few buttons to the android remote >> >> missed a file in last mod, add a few cv patches >> >> add dropped piece of locale setup in wtext mod from CV >> >> fix segv in record close, add i386 patches as ifdef >> >> 32 bit build fixes, C41 nans, unmask x_errs >> >> more cleanups for mwindow close, nouveau hangs >> >> rework nvidia xdisplay lock hang on closing glx_win 2nd screen >> >> fix nvidia xdisplay lock hang on closing glx_win 2nd screen >> >> fixes for glx sequencing when using Mesa >> >> add android remote control app source >> >> disable fileforking if debug traps enabled >> >> repair to mpeg2enc for mulit-processor use, a few memory init fixups >> >> Nicola Ferralis: remove audiocine driver type >> >> try to repair timezone (again) >> >> add locking for glXCreateWindow, repair mulitple vwindow closing >> >> fix botched tooltip mod, screws up get_screen_w >> >> add android remote control interface >> >> add missing parallel build dep for burn plugin >> >> add sha1sum to identify exe in cinelerra_*.dmp >> >> fix leaked mmap buffers, cuases record webcam problems >> >> cleanup debug prints, fixup videodevice open >> >> upgrade intl lang support using google xlat >> >> fix for yuv422 format decode problems >> >> bug fix for cmodel convert added to c41 in port >> >> change filemov popup err dlg to print, for now >> >> screen/audio capture segv fix >> >> remove load/save defaults from ported realtime plugins >> >> cleanup and speedup for svg overlayer, valgrind cleanup >> >> upgrades and fixes to svg >> >> allow caveat_slow config in glx fb probes >> >> fix for fullscreen, mods to prop up svg >> >> the new normal >> >> upgrade glx interface, fixes major problems with blending >> >> Porter Duff operators for patchbay rendering options >> >> move fader into overlay engine/opengl >> >> fix opengl alpha channel setup problems >> >> fixup filebox to use most recent dir for default >> >> prevent focus_out event from deactivating if cursor in menu >> >> fix textbox problem with formating with seperators >> >> tooltip popups on wrong side if tile windows right >> >> make mediadb access depend on env var BC_USE_COMMECIALS >> >> rework overlayframe, fixes to condition timed_lock, dvd path textbox, >> cleanup hisogram >> >> fix buffer limit setup for XMLBuffer >> >> restrict xml buffer when shared string, valgrind find fixes >> >> gifubar control >> >> correct strip commands for theme data >> >> add trap path api >> >> add more elaborate trap logging >> >> fix titler bug >> >> add fileyuv.C to the FFMPEG list >> >> add file.C to the FFMPEG list >> >> 2 more fixes filexml >> >> yet more bug fixes for filexml and titler >> >> some cleanup on filexml checkin >> >> rework filexml for intl chars, add a few plugin icons >> >> change header paths for libavcodec to local >> >> add missing mjpegtools includes >> >> CV file codec mods + a few fixes >> >> fix some textbox bugs, again fix alpla probs on titler >> >> fixes to tilter for alpha blundering. msg for shmmax err >> >> cleanup missed utf8 refs in textbox rework >> >> theme fixups, add fedora build prereqs >> >> more titler fixup, index_fd fix >> >> titler fixes, add auto font sizing, fix to listbox >> >> some fixes, mostly titler, many more bugs... >> >> cv port, plugins, not tested >> >> merge cv: quicktime,guicast,libmpeg3 add db code >> >> fix typo, add a few file tags >> >> cleanup bak/sav files >> >> add dropped mods in 4.5->4.6 port >> >> fix can't rewind bits layer3 bug >> >> add missed files for icons >> >> revise default icon data >> >> fixed some problems with layer3 read past eob >> >> pulldown menu collapes on fedora without delay on first choice >> >> change sync loss recovery strategy >> >> removed icon bitmap/vframe cache, not useful. >> >> fixed image_size (now big endin) >> >> added feature to delete unwanted plugins >> >> added feature to create customizable plugin icon data >> >> added trap_sigsegv, trap_sigintr to prefs to capture dmp files >> >> fixed bc_toggle int *value==0 segv >> >> avoid race on open with record_fd >> >> fix window create/move/resize offsets in startup probes >> >> add force rebuild to directory depends >> >> yet another attempt to add the previous mod >> >> condition libesd requirement on HAVE_ESD >> >> filesystem balks on bad soft link >> >> fixed misdeclared locker objects in thread dbg code >> >> added gdb segv capture handler in bcsignals >> >> cutads trips up plugin init, remove for now >> >> update icon data, clear awindow listbox on selection >> >> change leading blanks to tabs for lead-in on recipe lines in errant >> Makefile.in >> >> the_fixed.txt >> >> removed cutads soft link and fixed filesystem for broken soft links >> >> fixed more libmpeg3->libzmpeg3 references >> >> plugged a bunch of memory leaks >> >> ??? switched bcdialog BC_DialogThread to async thread >> >> reworked BC_DisplayInfo >> >> cleaned up some dangling threads >> >> changed fonts due to broken Sans-xx fontname refs in prefs menus >> >> added segv dumper using gdb, needs more work >> >> reworked thread.C added dangling thread trap, thread dump, etc... >> >> added alsa cache blowout at end of run for valgrind >> >> timezone checks in batch.C (cron) and channelinfo (scan) >> >> removed refs to strdup, added cstrdup, cstrcat >> >> fixed race in auto toc builder thread >> >> fixed layer init in filethread >> >> fixed unterminated strings in filexml >> >> minor rework for mainerror >> >> added recipes dropped in merge for cinelerra/Makefile >> >> reset panel on load new file replace mode >> >> abstracted mwindow delete indecies for rebuild for use >> >> fixed undo stack problem using <alt>-<[1-8]> for select_asset >> >> minor fixes/rework for pluginclient default xml readin >> >> improved thread/buffer cleanup/shutdown in record menu/monitor >> >> fixed overlapping memcpy in inverse telecine >> >> stubbed css code, media db code >> >> fixes to closed captioning and cc to dvd subtitle generator >> >> ported mpeg2enc from libmpeg3 to libzmpeg3 >> >> Ubuntu window restart positions >> >> BC_DisplayInfo mod, check for duplicate probe >> >> Add gui for removing undesired plugins from folder listbox >> >> create program to rescale and histeq image data for plugin icons >> >> create alternate plugin icon data dir for fun customization >> >> add gdb dump prefs for segv, ctrl-c, default off >> >> centOS build >> >> Manual stop of cron recording with auto generate toc hangs >> >> zio:562 sync err recovery fails >> >> pulldown menu collapes on fedora (done, pushed, testing) >> >> create tarball for original plugin icon png files >> >> directory missing for index catalog caused segv >> >> Manual stop of cron recording with auto generate toc hangs >> >> zio:562 sync err recovery fails >> >> mpeg3 audio msg: dequantize_sample: can't rewind stream >> >> add font path setup to bin directory and required fonts (dropped) >> >> Button up on dismissed menu popup via focus_out causes segv (avoided) >> >> ScrollListBox need_vscroll height demand calculation wrong >> >> autoscale fonts to display geometry >> >> add "must be root" to trap sigint/segv prefs >> >> improve trap handler logging >> >> replacement DB for mediadb >> >> TextBox cursor on <CR> and mulitiple chars (stutters) on fast backspace >> >> CV plugin port >> >> CV Icon data >> >> CV file changes >> >> get rid of findobject plugin >> >> change format (set_format yuv->rgb, etc) with titler segvs >> >> add file readin/text clear popup menu and dynamic textbox to titler >> (dropped) >> >> fix mwindow offsets for bluedot and blond themes >> >> webcam record window restart problems fixed >> >> Manual stop of cron recording with auto generate toc hangs >> >> fixed SVG image edit plugin >> >> google translate for po construction in the internationalization >> >> reworked overlayframe, added porter duff ops et al. >> >> several build message cleanups >> >> upgraded opengl api for new open interface >> >> generalize opengl visual access and context construction for pbuffer, >> pixmap >> >> fixup filebox to use most recent dir for default (done, testing) >> >> prevent focus_out event from deactivating if cursor in menu >> >> fix opengl alpha channel setup problems >> >> fix textbox problem with formating with seperators >> >> tooltip popups on wrong side if tile windows right >> >> make mediadb access depend on env var BC_USE_COMMECIALS >> >> Porter Duff operators for patchbay rendering options >> >> add icons for new mode operators in required themes >> >> move fader into overlay engine/opengl >> >> added overlay CV changes for Lancasos interp type >> >> OpenGL direct linkage instead of single threaded strategy. (dropped, wont >> work) >> >> svg plugin segv on access file, missing client->defaults (plugin reworked) >> >> Android remote control app >> >> yuv422 colormodel mpeg output transcode, filempeg3 updated, encoder fixes >> >> turn off enable file fork when debug traps sig_segv/sig_int enabled >> >> redefined symbol MAX_INPUT in histogram.inc overlaps limits.h >> >> fixup hveg2enc to be multiprocessor safe >> >> fixed deadlock in reloading media while running playback. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: - - -] >> Not interested any more? 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