Re: [nlug] Awwww Man!

Mon, 07 Oct 2019 16:22:29 -0700 

Paul,
Thanks. My problem is not hardware. I _can_ configure an Epson 9 pin driver that does "print" - just not the way I need it to. And yes, I've made something of a hobby of collecting JetDirect boxes over the years (even have some Intel branded ones that I never have made work). The problem is squarely CUPS having dropped support and their excuse is completely lame. 


So this GitHub posting discussing this change basically says "piss off, 
peon; write your own utility to direct raw output to your printer."  And 
that is where I sit - while using Ubuntu 16.04 to print my checks.



But hey, I still have several old computers with Ubuntu 8.04 in support 
of a line of business software (the server of which croaked hence the 
need to replace).  Gonna be hauling a metric butt load of 32bit 
computers to recycling very soon.  And no, Dru, they ain't worth the 
electricity to run.


Howard

On 10/7/19 6:00 PM, Paul Boniol wrote:

I don't know that any of this helps, but I found someone makes a USB to 
25 pin serial cable. :O



I think Alex was talking about HP JetDirect {170X | 300X | 500X}.  Again 
I don't know if that helps any or not.



When I got into Linux, HP Ink Jets were the bees knees for home use, so 
I bypassed dot matrix in Linux.


Amazing how we can keep old tech working. :)

Paul


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:00 PM Jack Coats <j...@coats.org 
<mailto:j...@coats.org>> wrote:


    Alex,  No, you weren't trolling, like Howard really doesn't want
    sympathy anyway (he wants the darn thing to work!)

    Pre-Ubuntu configuring many devices did take more of the cauldron
    and eye of newt method of getting it to work... basically
    Ubuntu hid the cauldron and the smoke for most people.  Those of us
    that have written device drivers UNDERSTAND what it
    takes to keep these high-tech bubble-gum and bandaid things working
    even if they do have a new coat of paint and some
    bondo on them.

    And that is NOT just the *NIX community with all its
    permutations that hide the real work from users.  But without doing that
    no-ones grandma would be using technology today. (Well mabe great
    grandmother, I am now of the grandparent age -- ugh).


    On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:38 PM Alex Smith (K4RNT)
    <shadowhun...@gmail.com <mailto:shadowhun...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        No!

        All you gotta do is plug the printer into the JetDirect, and
        share it over a network. Is the printer parallel or USB?

        " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
        censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
        chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge
        Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's
        freedom is trodden on, we’re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard,
        quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead"
        - Alex Smith
        - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)


        On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:37 PM Howard White <hwh...@vcch.com
        <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>> wrote:

            I have a supply, thank you.  :D

            Just try and find a motherboard with a 25 pin parallel
            port!  A PCIe
            card?  I have not looked; don't wanna know...

            Howard

            On 10/7/19 2:35 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
             > Buy a used JetDirect. Could that solve your problems?
             >
             > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first
            speech censured,
             > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
            chains us all
             > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron
            Satie as wisdom
             > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is
            trodden on, we’re all
             > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie,
            Star Trek: TNG
             > episode "The Drumhead"
             > - Alex Smith
             > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
             >
             >
             > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:34 PM Howard White
            <hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
             > <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>>> wrote:
             >
             >     Not at all, Alex.  I get it.  You saw my struggle
            with Arch (for
             >     which I
             >     have tremendous respect but zero luck).
             >
             >     This issue is CUPS which many distros use.  My RTFM
            of lpadmin was
             >     short
             >     because the entire lpadmin/lp/lpr suite has been
            overtaken by Apple.
             >
             >     Suggestions solicited for a program to send raw print
            to a network
             >     enabled (can you say "JetDirect") dot-matrix
            printer.  Something less
             >     than dd, thank you.
             >
             >     Howard
             >
             >     On 10/7/19 2:24 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
             >      > I hope I didn't come across as a troll, I was just
            venting when
             >     anyone
             >      > tries to complain about Ubuntu when they were the
            ones screaming
             >     about
             >      > how it's the only Linux they'll use, or anything
            else is not "easy"
             >      > enough. I have really good luck with openSUSE, Red
             >     Hat/CentOS/Scientific
             >      > Linux/Oracle Linux as well as Solaris and OpenIndiana.
             >      >
             >      > Best regards...
             >      >
             >      > -Alex
             >      >
             >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The
            first speech
             >     censured,
             >      > the first thought forbidden, the first freedom
            denied, chains us all
             >      > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge
            Aaron Satie as
             >     wisdom
             >      > and warning... The first time any man's freedom is
            trodden on,
             >     we’re all
             >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron
            Satie, Star
             >     Trek: TNG
             >      > episode "The Drumhead"
             >      > - Alex Smith
             >      > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
             >      >
             >      >
             >      > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:12 PM Howard White
            <hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
             >     <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>>
             >      > <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
            <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>>>> wrote:
             >      >
             >      >     Creating a print queue external to CUPS really
            was the point
             >     of my
             >      >     gripe, Alex.  Ah how we have grown stale by
            using tools (or
             >     trolls
             >      >     depending on how they do or do not work) such
            as CUPS or the ever
             >      >     popular NetworkManager.
             >      >
             >      >     Now off to RTFM the lpadmin man page.
             >      >
             >      >     Howard
             >      >
             >      >     On 10/7/19 2:02 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
             >      >      > I remember when I had a dot matrix printer
            and using it
             >     under Linux
             >      >      > (think Slackware in the end of the 90s),
            CUPS wasn't
             >     around, and
             >      >     I just
             >      >      > created a raw lpr queue. The printer was an
            Epson 9-pin dot
             >      >     matrix printer.
             >      >      >
             >      >      > Is that no longer possible?
             >      >      >
             >      >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is
            forged. The first speech
             >      >     censured,
             >      >      > the first thought forbidden, the first
            freedom denied,
             >     chains us all
             >      >      > irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by
            Judge Aaron Satie as
             >      >     wisdom
             >      >      > and warning... The first time any man's
            freedom is trodden on,
             >      >     we’re all
             >      >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge
            Aaron Satie, Star
             >      >     Trek: TNG
             >      >      > episode "The Drumhead"
             >      >      > - Alex Smith
             >      >      > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
             >      >      >
             >      >      >
             >      >      > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Howard White
             >     <hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
            <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>>
             >      >     <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com
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             >      >      > <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com
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             >     <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
            <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>>>>> wrote:
             >      >      >
             >      >      >     With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.
             >      >      >
             >      >      >     Howard
             >      >      >
             >      >      >     On 10/7/19 1:51 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT)
            wrote:
             >      >      >      > Can't you just import the PPDs from
            16.04?
             >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      > " 'With the first link, the chain is
            forged. The
             >     first speech
             >      >      >     censured,
             >      >      >      > the first thought forbidden, the
            first freedom denied,
             >      >     chains us all
             >      >      >      > irrevocably.' Those words were
            uttered by Judge
             >     Aaron Satie as
             >      >      >     wisdom
             >      >      >      > and warning... The first time any
            man's freedom is
             >     trodden on,
             >      >      >     we’re all
             >      >      >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting
            Judge Aaron
             >     Satie, Star
             >      >      >     Trek: TNG
             >      >      >      > episode "The Drumhead"
             >      >      >      > - Alex Smith
             >      >      >      > - Kent, Washington (metropolitan
            Seattle area)
             >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:50 AM
            Howard White
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             >     <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>
            <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>>>>>> wrote:
             >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >     The source of the issue seems to
            be CUPS which
             >     is more
             >      >     than
             >      >      >     just Ubuntu.
             >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >     Howard
             >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >     On 10/7/19 1:47 PM, Alex Smith
            (K4RNT) wrote:
             >      >      >      >      > Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic
            bullet people
             >     claim it
             >      >     to be? :P
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      > That still sucks! Maybe other
            distros have that
             >      >     support still?
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      > " 'With the first link, the
            chain is forged. The
             >      >     first speech
             >      >      >      >     censured,
             >      >      >      >      > the first thought forbidden,
            the first
             >     freedom denied,
             >      >      >     chains us all
             >      >      >      >      > irrevocably.' Those words
            were uttered by Judge
             >      >     Aaron Satie as
             >      >      >      >     wisdom
             >      >      >      >      > and warning... The first time
            any man's
             >     freedom is
             >      >     trodden on,
             >      >      >      >     we’re all
             >      >      >      >      > damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard,
            quoting Judge Aaron
             >      >     Satie, Star
             >      >      >      >     Trek: TNG
             >      >      >      >      > episode "The Drumhead"
             >      >      >      >      > - Alex Smith
             >      >      >      >      > - Kent, Washington
            (metropolitan Seattle area)
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:46
            AM Howard White
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            <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>>>>>>> wrote:
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      >     Today's gripe is that
            Ubuntu 18.04 /
             >     CUPS (and
             >      >     others
             >      >      >     I am quite
             >      >      >      >      >     sure) [
             >      >      >      >      >     has | have ] dropped
            support for a Generid
             >      >     Printer, Raw
             >      >      >      >     Queue.  This
             >      >      >      >      >     means that the dot matrix
            printer
             >     (remember them?)
             >      >      >     that I use
             >      >      >      >     to print
             >      >      >      >      >     two part checks does not
            play nice in Ubuntu
             >      >     18.04.  Still
             >      >      >      >     does in
             >      >      >      >      >     16.04.
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      >     I'm looking at a GitHub
            entry dated
             >     March 19, 2018
             >      >      >     where said
             >      >      >      >      >     removal is
             >      >      >      >      >     discussed in the
            Apple/CUPS dominion.
             >     "Almost
             >      >     every
             >      >      >     printer
             >      >      >      >      >     manufactured since 2010
            supports IPP/2.0
             >     with
             >      >     standard
             >      >      >     file
             >      >      >      >     formats.
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      >     Progress is not always kind.
             >      >      >      >      >
             >      >      >      >      >     Howard
             >      >      >      >      >
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