Yet, also consider this. It is not entirely random. Runs which once worked 
, always work, Runs which once crashed with the 157 error always crash 
even at the same point (it seems to me at least) into the execution... as 
if "something" fills up and then overflows.

Joachim




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Interesting,
  The only thing I can think of that would be random like that is that 
some other program (virus checker? back up?) is accessing the files. Maybe 
the slower ADVANS don't mind because they access the file(s) less often, 
and haven't happened to try when the other program is accessing them.
Mark


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Thank you, Mark for responding. 

Yes, NONMEM is running often just fine - up to a few hundred function 
evaluations. But sometimes it crashes even before I see the first 
iteration. When it crashes later I see the entire set of FILEs and 
executables in the directory. So NONMEM and NMTRAN were working fine. 

But, how do you explain that the same models reformulated with ANDAN6 run? 
Well, they take very long... and none of them has run to a successful 
minimization yet. 

Joachim





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Joachim,
This is probably a file access error, from Fortan/OS, not from NONMEM. 
Does NMTRAN run?  Does the compiler run?  Does nmlink6 run (do you get 
link.lnk)?  Do you get an executable? Does NONMEM start then stop?  If you 
get the executable (nonmem.exe or fsubs.exe), then the error is with file 
access in the NONMEM itself. Don't know which file, but if NMTRAN runs it 
isn't the (NMTRAN) data set, still could be FDATA, FCON, FSTREAM, FRECORD, 
any of the FILE? (but probably not) or an MSF.  Fortran should close all 
the files when it exits, by any method (e.g., if it crashes).   Could 
conceivable be a library file from the compiler as well.
Mark


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A question for FORTRAN experts: 

Fortran Error 157:         access violation 

is the error we see when NONMEM crashes on our server installation with 
models which otherwise run fine on our local PC installations of NONMEM. 
These crashes occur with very simple (ADVAN2) and also with rather 
complicated  (ADVAN5, ADVAN7) models. They can be avoided when models are 
reformulated with ADVAN6 TOL=5.  Of course with ADVAN6 all models run 
slower and this is not really a solution of our problem. 

We run NONMEM VI without the recent bug fixes in a "naked" fashion on the 
server, and with "wings" on the PCs. Our compiler is Compaq Visual Fortran 
(latest version). 

We appreciate your thoughts on that. 

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MERCK SERONO International S.A.
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