Please could someone explain why I get very different results when using ADVAN3 
TRANS1 to model a data set compared with using ADVAN3 TRANS4? Using the rate 
constants obtained with TRANS1 for a two compartment model to compute clearance 
and volume terms gives different values to those obtained with TRANS4. I have 
tried using various initial estimates for the runs but this has not solved the 
problem. I have listed typical outputs from Wings for NONMEM below for each of 
the two ways of parameterising the two compartment model. The objective 
function is considerably smaller with TRANS1 (    -580 compared with -533).


Thanks,



Paul





Paul S. Collier

School of Pharmacy

Queen's University Belfast

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Using  ADVAN3 TRANS1

THETA:      ELIMINATION RATE        RATE        VOLUME

ETA:        OMEGA

ERR:        SIGMA

run209.lst          -580.598            eval=209 sig=+3.4 sub=43 obs=184 
CCIL=YNYN NVI1.1 PV1.0

THETA     = 0.477       0.357       0.255       7.44

ETASD     = 0.806846    0.000457165 0.00758947  1.40357

ERRSD     = 0.242693

THETA:se% = 22.9        15.9        23.9        30.2

OMEGA:se% = 26.3        10287.1     559.0       27.7

SIGMA:se% = 23.4



MINIMIZATION SUCCESSFUL



P VAL.:   0.75E+00  0.17E+00  0.46E+00  0.88E+00



 MIDAZOLAM 2-COMP RATES MODEL ADDITIVE ERROR

   user 0:21.95   real 0:21.95       tcl 0:0.42



$PROBLEM  MIDAZOLAM 2-COMP RATES MODEL EXPONENTIAL ERROR

$INPUT  ID TIME DAT1=DROP AGE DOSE=AMT RATE DV WT BUC MDV GEN

$DATA ..\MIDAZOLAM.CSV

$SUBROUTINES  ADVAN3 TRANS1



$PK

CALLFL=1



TVK=THETA(1)

K=TVK*EXP(ETA(1))



TVK12=THETA(2)

K12=TVK12*EXP(ETA(2))



TVK21=THETA(3)

K21=TVK21*EXP(ETA(3))



TVV=THETA(4)

V=TVV*EXP(ETA(4))



S1=V



$ERROR



IPRED=F

IRES=DV-IPRED

W=F

IWRES=IRES/W



Y=F*(1+ERR(1))







$THETA  (0,0.5)



$THETA (0,0.5)



$THETA (0,0.5)



$THETA (0,10)



$OMEGA 0.01 0.01  0.01 0.01



$SIGMA 0.4



$ESTIMATION  MAXEVAL=9999 PRINT=2 METHOD=CONDITIONAL INTERACTION





Using  ADVAN3 TRANS4

THETA:      CLEARANCE     VOLUME1      INTERCOMPARTMENTAL CLEARANCE    VOLUME2

ETA:        OMEGA

ERR:        SIGMA

run213.lst          -533.475            eval=380 sig=+4.5 sub=43 obs=184 
CCIL=YNYN NVI1.1 PV1.0

THETA     = 3.19        0.209       9.87        12

ETASD     = 1.25698     0.000467974 0.00130767  0.849706

ERRSD     = 0.283019

THETA:se% = 20.4        85.2        49.2        31.2

OMEGA:se% = 15.5        20821.9     6432.7      43.6

SIGMA:se% = 24.5



MINIMIZATION SUCCESSFUL



P VAL.:   0.97E+00  0.93E+00  0.80E+00  0.31E+00



   user 0:33.95   real 0:33.95       tcl 0:0.52



$PROBLEM  MIDAZOLAM 2-COMP CLEARANCE MODEL

$INPUT  ID TIME DAT1=DROP AGE DOSE=AMT RATE DV WT BUC MDV GEN

$DATA ..\MIDAZOLAM.CSV

$SUBROUTINES  ADVAN3 TRANS4



$PK

CALLFL=-1



TVCL=THETA(1)

CL=TVCL*EXP(ETA(1))



TVV1=THETA(2)

V1=TVV1*EXP(ETA(2))



TVQ=THETA(3)

Q=TVQ*EXP(ETA(3))



TVV2=THETA(4)

V2=TVV2*EXP(ETA(4))



S1=V1







$ERROR



IPRED=F

IRES=DV-IPRED

W=F

IWRES=IRES/F



Y=F*(1+ERR(1))







$THETA  (0,3)



$THETA (0,0.1)



$THETA (0,1)



$THETA (0,10)





$OMEGA 0.04 0.04 0.04 0.04



$SIGMA 0.4



$ESTIMATION  MAXEVAL=9999 PRINT=2 METHOD=CONDITIONAL INTERACTION



$COVR PRINT=E



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