On Friday, September 20, 2013, Andrew Kelley wrote: > Makes sense. > > I wonder if creating a fork of v8 without __proto__ and drumming up public > knowledge would do anything to affect the minds of the decision-makers - > whoever they might be. (In my opinion v8 and ecmascript committee are > somewhat chicken and egg) >
Hi! Right here! I don't know why you say "chicken and egg"... V8 implementors are on TC39 and have a lot of say in the future of the language. That said, V8 won't be removing __proto__ anytime soon. It's simple browser game theory: removing means breaking compatibility with a lot of code written specifically for mobile (Safari, Chrome, Firefox)—seems like a bad way to build market share, don't you think? Honestly, I think you're just being over dramatic. __proto__ will always be non-standard, but isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. A fork will quickly wither and die, but good luck trying. Rick > > > On Friday, September 20, 2013 12:28:54 AM UTC-4, Nathan Rajlich wrote: >> >> Andrew, long story short, it's out of our hands. __proto__ is implemented >> by v8 and we just use it as-is. If v8 decides to remove __proto__ then node >> would adopt that at some point, but it's not going to go out of its way to >> change the language past the defaults. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rick Waldron <waldro...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, September 19, 2013, Dean Landolt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Rick Waldron >>>> <waldron.r...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Gagle <gagle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Node.js is javascript, if you remove __proto__ then it's not >>>>>> javascript. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Funny thing to say about something that is not actually part of the >>>>> language. Check yourself before wreck yourself? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wait, is it in or out? I know at one point it was spec'd for es6, >>>> right? Don't get me wrong -- I'd love to hear that it got the axe, >>>> especially in light of Object.setPrototypeOf, but I haven't seen anything >>>> about that. >>>> >>> >>> Sometime before July and then formally agreed on in July, then any back >>> to an annex. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That being said, sorry but imo Domenic's dict module is based on a >>>>>> poor design. 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