Hi David,
I too have little experience of piping, but I agree that the area of the
correct way to play is a subject of some debate. I am keen to ensure that
the NSP community is receptive to the efforts of young pipers, (and older
ones, no prejudice here) so as I reckon you have a good thirty years yet of
being a young piper you will have plenty of opportunity to develop your
style, jazz on the pipes eh?
Rick, if you are in the group treating pipes playing as a technical
exercise, and trying to achieve a certain traditional technique is your aim,
then certainly there is a right answer, and luckily there are pipers who
will gladly help you work towards that aim, but if your aim is more
philosophical, like trying to enjoy playing the music you can make for your
own pleasure, then it would seem there are as many right answers as there
are players. In general, the latter group don't try to tell the former not
to try and achieve the perfection they are looking for! Each to his own.
cheers
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Baker" <davidthba...@googlemail.com>
To: "Chris Ormston" <ch...@chrisormston.com>
Cc: <rosspi...@aol.com>; <lisaridley6...@hotmail.com>; <>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:56 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: Re:
Dear all,
Though I may not be able to offer much in the way of piping experience
as yet, I don't think it fair to call any style of playing any
instrument 'incorrect' simply because it does not adhere rigidly to
tradition. I play the trumpet as well as the NSP. Had it not been for
certain groups of musicians breaking the rules because what resulted
sounded good to them, the only style of trumpet playing would be
baroque, and jazz would not exist (to give but one example).
I would hope the NSP community was receptive to the efforts of young
players (I hope at 22 I can still call myself one) expressing
themselves through their chosen instrument and working hard in order to
do so. If not, this 'tradition' is indeed in real danger of dying out.
Best regards,
David Baker
2009/4/13 Chris Ormston <[1]ch...@chrisormston.com>
Colin,
I beg to differ, for reasons I've stated here and elsewhere on
numerous
occasions. The traditional style of piping is being butchered by
this new,
Max Clifford approach to the music.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: [2]rosspi...@aol.com [mailto:[3]rosspi...@aol.com]
Sent: 13 April 2009 18:49
To: [4]lisaridley6...@hotmail.com
Cc: [5]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: Re:
Beware of the press. The same article had Katherine pictured in her
usual langorous pose which even she might be getting a bit sick of by
now.
Whatever might be said of her and her style of piping you cannot deny
she has ability in her fingering and compositional talents and if she
keeps it up will be an asset to Northumbrian piping even if she does
lift off more than one finger at a time and plays flat fingered. With
Alice Burns she is providing the sound of the NPS on the Folk orchestra
at a high level of performance.
Colin Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: lisa ridley <[6]lisaridley6...@hotmail.com>
To: [7]i...@gretton-willems.com; pipers list <[8]...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:40
Subject: [NSP] Re: Re:
No I do not - curiousity sattisfied? My thoughts and concerns lie
with
the ridicule facing Northumbrian piping and the child herself as a
consequence of publicity and unheeded advice.
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:05:00 +0200
> To: [9]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> From: [10]i...@gretton-willems.com
> Subject: [NSP] Re: Re:
>
>
> Just a tiny question, Lisa. You don't happen to have a child of
your
own who
> enters NSP competitions, do you? Just curious.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul Gretton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lisa ridley [mailto:[11]lisaridley6...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2009 11:45
> To: [12]helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz; pipers list
> Subject: [NSP] Re: Re:
>
> Apologies, I was under the impression that the pipers list was a
forum
> for self expression and discussion. I was not aware there was a
> required censorship in case "the truth" about these pretenders
reaches
> the "public" domain.
> The Newcastle Journal is a publication with a weekly circulation of
289
> 000, and hence a VERY public forum, and I doubt this reporter
stumbled
> upon this story herself but rather that it was fed to her. The
> Bellingham show is also a public event and I have witnessed first
hand
> the attempts by the child's family to compromise the integrity of
the
> competition by niggling at the judges and making loud stage
whispers
> from the audience "you were the best - you would have won if it he
> (Chris Ormston) hadn't been judging". I'm told that Adrian
Schofield
> was given an even more torrid time the previous year. Such
behaviour
> is not worthy of our support.
>
> LR
>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:48:33 +1200
> > To: [13]lisaridley6...@hotmail.com; [14]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > From: [15]helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz
> > Subject: [NSP] Re:
> >
> > I have often been misquoted in the press, to my embarrassment. I
> think we
> > need to be very careful not to be seen to be unsupportive in the
> public eye,
> > and this is after all a relatively public list.
> > Helen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "lisa ridley" <[16]lisaridley6...@hotmail.com>
> > To: <[17]...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:59 AM
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'd like to share with you all some quotes from an article in
the
> > > Newcastle Journal newspaper about Jessica Lamb. The paper has
an
> > > article entitled "school girl piper Jessica a star in the
making"
> > >
> > > I picked them up and within no time at all I was playing a
tune."
> > > I could play by ear and I just took to them straight away. From
> there I
> > > got better and better and now Im so proud of myself. Im
brilliant
> and
> > > Kathryn Tickell has high hopes for me."
> > >
> > > Some of you may be aware of this 14 year old precocious nay
> > > dillousional child. This is the child who has been repeatedly
given
> > > feedback by pipers who ARE brilliant and has ignored it; year
on
> year
> > > she has had the same feedback yet listening to the video
attached
> to
> > > the article is still ignoring it. Chris Ormston & Adrian
Schofield
> have
> > > both given this girl advice but clearly she feels she knows
better
> than
> > > those who are recognised by us all as true masters of the
pipes.
> This
> > > girl has a long,long way to go before she can claim to be
> "brilliant".
> > >
> > >
> > > The comments of her mother (the typical pushy mother) show
where
> the
> > > girl gets it from - "Jessicas mum Catherine Lamb, 42, a nursery
> nurse,
> > > said: As soon as Jessica picked up the Northumbrian pipes she
was
a
> > > little genius. She could play a tune straight away. We just
knew
> she
> > > was going to be fantastic at it, she was a natural.""
> > >
> > >
> > > The absurdity of the whole article is summed up by the papers
> > > suggestion that the northumbrian pipes were an unknown
instrument
> until
> > > K Tickell came on the scene..................sums up their
naiivety
> > > really!
> > >
> > >
>
[1][18]http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2009/04
/11/
> > > schoolgirl-piper-jessica-a-star-in-the-making-61634-23362451/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > LR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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5. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
6. mailto:lisaridley6...@hotmail.com
7. mailto:i...@gretton-willems.com
8. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
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11. mailto:lisaridley6...@hotmail.com
12. mailto:helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz
13. mailto:lisaridley6...@hotmail.com
14. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
15. mailto:helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz
16. mailto:lisaridley6...@hotmail.com
17. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
18. http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2009/04/11/
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