I have never heard them played closed, and they sound dreadful, open.
Simpler graces sound better closed to my ear, but I thought these were
beyond the power of human >fingers...
It may be beyond ordinary mortals, but presumably no more difficult than the
other fast variations.
Articulated i.e. tongued (or separately bowed) trills and other rapid
ornamentation are usually assumed in 16th and early 17th century music -
divisions and highly florid embelishments of "standard" tunes, then on to
e.g. Frescobaldi. Listen to a recording by a very good cornett player (Bruce
Dickey comes to mind) and you can hear the effect of definitely separated,
but still smooth, extremely rapid "trills" usually with some sort of turn at
the end. On the recorder (or whistle??) you can do it by tonguing
diddle-iddle-iddle etc. (one well-known recorder player used to teach his
American students to say "Little Italy" very rapidly). The art is to combine
the tongue with the fingers - not difficult with practice.
So separated but not excessively "staccato" shakes can sound very good and
completely different from a "normal" trill, though I'm not convinced that's
what Fenwick meant. There seems to have been a rather awkward attempt to
combine pipes technique with the 18th and early 19th century conventions of
Classical music ornamentation in a number of early tutors. I think Geoghan
tries to do something similar with the Pastoral pipes, and of course the
musette tunes are full of trills, "ports de voix", "tierces coullees"
(excuse lack of accents) and all the other elaborately classified
ornamentation of French Baroque music. Does it sit easily with NSP technique
though? I think not.
Philip
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gibbons, John" <j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk>
To: "'Ian Lawther'" <irlawt...@comcast.net>; <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: nps
John
-----Original Message-----
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Ian Lawther
Sent: 28 April 2009 14:43
To: Dave Shaw
Cc: Dartmouth NPS
Subject: [NSP] Re: nps
Whilst Fenwickdescribes gracenotes he does not say that one should step
outside the closed fingering rule he has already set out in order to
play them. Many Northumbrian pipers grace within the closed
fingering....................even those shakes sound better closed!
Ian
Dave Shaw wrote:
Adrian wishes to use the Fenwick tutor as his bible to prove that only
plain closed fingering is admissible.
Between the music reading and tunes section of this book, however,
there is written the following:
(see)
http://www.daveshaw.co.uk/Fenwick/
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