On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Hans Hagen <pra...@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 2/10/2014 9:24 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Mathematics in 2008. It >> worked just fine. >> >> At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but >> research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt >> and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt). >> >> It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling >> that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to >> output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1] >> l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with >> source l.tex and c.tex for some examples. >> > > In mkiv we follow some alternative approaches compared to mkii (and > probably other tex macro packages) and some aspects indeed might need > tuning (or more configuration options) .. I try hard to get away from > hackery solutions (for several reasons). >
I agree it is good to avoid hackery as long as possible, and I for sure is ready to relearn how to write some things. With the examples I gave in the previous email in mind: * How am I supposed to write first derivative (f') and second derivative (f'') in such a way that they have the same type of prime (the prime in the first derivative is the one I prefer)? * How am I supposed to write f_xx'' to get the output as in the LaTeX example (i.e. so that the primes are over the xx)? * Could the default placement of limits in integrals be changed (integral=nolimits)? This is how it is done in almost all math books). * What about the size and finetuning of placement of indices in integrals and sums (and probably products, unions, ...)? * I remember I suggested that \| should be double bars in a previous thread on this list. Is there any drawback in giving double bars for \|? Of course I can relearn and use \lVert and \rVert, but I have a feeling that if we want people moving from LaTeX to ConTeXt, then this is the kind of things that should just work as expected... Best regards, Mikael > > When it comes to math environments, I think that thanks to the >> environments in http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf >> <http://dl.contextgarden..net/myway/mathalign.pdf> we are OK. I >> >> sometimes miss the multline(d) environment from LaTeX. >> >> Best regards, Mikael >> >> [1] >> The attachments were too big, so I decided to put the pdf files on >> http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/l.pdf >> and >> http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/c.pdf >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar <hajt...@gyza.cz >> <mailto:hajt...@gyza.cz>> wrote: >> >> Hello ConTeXist. >> I am very sorry for this OFF TOPIC contribution. >> >> For writing of this text led me several hours of searching on >> internet. I was looking for ways to typing of non-elementary math in >> ConTeXt >> >> Already a long time I use ConTeXt typesetting lot of different >> things and I am very satisfied. In the many things, of which I >> typed, was maths represented only marginally and minimally. Now I >> need to type some mathematics (at secondary school level) and I >> found that I came across borders of my knowledge of ConTeXt, or on >> possibilities of ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics. >> I do not in any way call into question the ability of ConTeXt >> typesetting mathematics, although I think that who wants to type >> mathematics then use LaTeX. >> I want find experience of users of ConTeXt for real using of ConTeXt >> for typesetting of mathematics. I wonder how users use possible math >> modules (exist anything?) to be usable results. >> >> I have a few questions: >> >> 0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText >> or it is a general problem of ConTeXt? >> 1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of >> non-elementary mathematics? >> 2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt >> (thinking in the field of mathematics rate)? >> 3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could >> bet mathematics at a reasonable level? >> 4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g. >> in the future)? >> 5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here? >> >> >> I hope that my question will help other beginners who would like to >> typing of mathematics use ConText - this unique and useful tool. >> >> Thanks for all the answers. >> >> Jaroslav Hajtmar >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> ___________________________ >> >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an >> entry to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/__listinfo/ntg-context >> >> <http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context> >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/__projects/contextrev/ >> >> <http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/> >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ____________________________________________________________ >> ___________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> _______________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ >> listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ____________________________________________________________ >> _______________________ >> >> > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com > | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ > listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________ >
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