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David Lum <david....@nwea.org> wrote on 07/28/2011 09:51:20 AM: > I have a 40yr old 400hp Datsun, also paid for :-). Our newest of 3 > cars we own car is uh...14. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 8:52 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > I have a 9 year old Kia Rio Cinco, and an 8 year old Dodge Ram 1500 - > both paid for... > > Kurt > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 14:43, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a 5 yo Toyota. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I have a three year old Honda... > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Aldrich > >> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Jonathan: > >>> As I just typed a few moments ago -- you want a brand new Ferrari, but > >>> you > >>> know you can't afford the payments. Are you really going to go to the > >>> trouble of configuring it just how you want and getting a price quote or > >>> are > >>> you going to settle for your 3-year-old Honda? Me? I'm settling for the > >>> 3-year-old Honda, because at least I can afford that. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:42 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> > >>> Sir, we are all extremely real. > >>> If you prick me, do I not bleed? > >>> > >>> Look, you ask for advice. You get advice. You come up with all kinds of > >>> reasons why said advice doesn't work for you. You are very unflexible > >>> when > >>> it comes to taking advice. Or you aren't able to understand the advice > >>> offered. Well, there's always a reason. With everything. And 9 times > >>> out > >>> of 10 it's behavioral. Meaning you could do something a different way. > >>> > >>> Even if they say that there is no budget, you could do a lot of work to > >>> calculate a budget based on certain assumptions. So, you've got a bunch > >>> of > >>> 10 year old equipment. How much did you spend reparing it last year. > >>> How > >>> much would new equipment for 1/3, 1/4 or 1/5 of it cost, and make a plan > >>> to > >>> replace stuff. It may cost more, but you might be suprised. In any > >>> event, > >>> it's obvious you haven't even made the effort. > >>> > >>> It is the lack of effor tthat is irksom to a great many on this list. > >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> The reason I have no idea what a new desktop would cost is that > >>> management > >>> is NOT going to approve ANYTHING right now, so why even bother looking??? > >>> Get real! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:38 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> Well that bit didn't shock anyone....except maybe Jonathan who's now > >>> wearing > >>> cowboy boots and looking for a horse to ride. > >>> - WJR > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:20, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> That I have no idea what a new, fully-configured 64-bit workstation with > >>> Office, a ton of RAM and all the other assorted pieces of software that > >>> would have to be rebought would cost. > >>> > >>> > >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> > >>> What was supposed to be shocking exactly? > >>> > >>> That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't > >>> have a spare $2500? > >>> > >>> - WJR > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will > >>> cost. I > >>> haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock > >>> value. > >>> :D > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." > >>> > >>> - WJR > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad > >>> core > >>> with 8GB of RAM.... > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <stefan.j...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I > >>> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office > >>> 2010 > >>> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a > >>> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy > >>> is > >>> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time > >>> soon. > >>> > >>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM > >>> > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things > >>> you've > >>> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job > >>> appropriately. > >>> > >>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll > >>> understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan > >>> whose > >>> head seems to be swelling. > >>> > >>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... > >>> > >>> - WJR > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook > >>> is > >>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have > >>> a > >>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my > >>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes > >>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and > >>> internet > >>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a > >>> drastically > >>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent > >>> workstation. > >>> > >>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup > >>> time > >>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate > >>> as > >>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a > >>> load > >>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But > >>> if > >>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few > >>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of > >>> its > >>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues > >>> that > >>> need to be resolved. > >>> > >>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv > >>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any > >>> moment > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> From: Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> > >>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > >>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > >>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole > >>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it > >>> from > >>> my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. > >>> > >>> > >>> Roger Wright > >>> ___ > >>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. > >>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I > >>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided > >>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly. > >>> > >>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> > >>> how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but > >>> that > >>> seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre > >>> services, > >>> by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console > >>> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then > >>> your > >>> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically > >>> manages > >>> the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state > >>> of > >>> the server (e.g. workstation locked). > >>> > >>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... > >>> ASB > >>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > >>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > >>> I suppose there?s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled > >>> basis? > >>> THAT server has never had any real issues? As for not running the Console > >>> remotely, I really don?t wish to install it on another machine as it?s a > >>> bit > >>> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don?t like killing off a > >>> process ?just because?, and that?s what that seems like to me. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM > >>> > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > >>> > >>> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? > >>> > >>> > >>> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? > >>> > >>> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the > >>> previous two issues)? > >>> ASB > >>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > >>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market? > >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich > >>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > >>> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the > >>> server > >>> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I > >>> have > >>> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with > >>> Sunbelt > >>> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the > >>> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's > >>> non-interactive.) > >>> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better > >>> suggestions? 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