If you contribute[1] I think you get a bit of a pass on always doing a lot of research. Think of it as an informal mod system. Sometimes I'll ask a question, just to get an idea of where to look for info, because I'm stuck. I like to think I phrase those questions in such away that doesn't give ma a lmgtfy, and instead provides some good hints on how to search for something, or even a direct link.
Sometimes people need to ask a question like, anyone observing problems with the latest MS update, because we have X machines out of Y acting funny. That's a valid question. A yes or no answer can give clarity quickly[2]. [1] Contributing to this list, in my mind is asking good questions. Good questions generate good responses, which help the entire community. [2] Quickly is debatable, given the current list performance. In the past one could expect a response back in minutes, and now it is more consistently in the hours phsae. Yes, I'm complaining. :-) On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Heaton, Joseph@DFG <jhea...@dfg.ca.gov>wrote: > I personally think this horse has been not only beaten to death, but to > a bloody pulp. I personally didn’t appreciate the language at all, and I > don’t think that’s simply a sensitivity, but rather a sense of personal > standards. That said, the message at the heart of the rant was pretty spot > on, and I agree with the need for self-effort before coming to the list > with questions. I know I have personally been guilty of coming to the list > too early in my own research process, but I do try to put forth due > diligence prior.**** > > ** ** > > I think we just need to let this thread go at this point.**** > > ** ** > > Joe Heaton**** > > ITB – Windows Server Support**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Jeff Brown [mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com] > *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2012 6:50 AM > *To:* Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Windows File Archive**** > > ** ** > > Who’s going to hand out color coded cards so we can all know where we > stand?**** > > **** > > *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] > *Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:02 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Windows File Archive > **** > > **** > > The thing that strikes me about all of this is that in this day and age > nothing disappears, everything is searchable (including email addresses) > and it’s not unknown of for potential employers to Google potential hires. > **** > > **** > > This of course works both ways in that if there’s a bunch of posts from a > potential hire for a networking job asking “What is an IP address?” it > doesn’t look great, it also doesn’t look great when you have a bunch of > so-called professionals acting like a bunch of bitchy little girls in a > school playground.**** > > **** > > It seems a little sad and unnessecary tbh.**** > > *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] > *Sent:* 10 March 2012 05:52 > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Windows File Archive > **** > > **** > > I’m astounded that you think personal name-calling is an acceptable way to > behave. **** > > Do you treat peers and customers the same way when they ask you questions > that you think are incomplete or naïve?**** > > **** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > **** > > *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, 9 March 2012 11:37 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Windows File Archive > **** > > **** > > "Acceptable" is a relative term. Knowing Gary as well as I do I can > assure you it was acceptable to him. Knowing others here as well I can > safely say it's acceptable to them as well. > > Honestly Gary's response is pretty spot on, the function of a professional > list typically is for peers of an expected experience level, and part of > that expectation is to do some of your own work as this is not a place for > "could you please do my thinking for me?" > > The correlation to "Carpet Boy" is apropos as a good known reference point > for repeated offenses of this type of generally agreed upon unacceptable > behavior. > > That said, given my record here, I expect to be summarily ignored. > > - WJR**** > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 00:53, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote:** > ** > > Calling someone as “asshole” is acceptable, simply because they asked an > incomplete question? Or asking if they are related to “carpet boy”?**** > > **** > > That’s ad hominem, unnecessary and unprofessional. Whilst we might have > disagreements, let’s keep the conversation civil, and talking about the > topic and not the man/woman.**** > > **** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > **** > > *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, 9 March 2012 11:56 AM**** > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > **** > > *Subject:* Re: Windows File Archive**** > > **** > > On the otherhand, a bitch-slap can be a healthy and needed aspect of > Apprenticeship. It makes people think - about thinking for themselves and > to make greater considerations of the details involved with > whatever their question may be - before they ask an incomplete question, or > try to move forward with an incomplete thought again. > > This list, while very friendly, has been more tolerating than recently > than in the past of such things. Not necessarily a bad thing, but also > something notably annoying to many more experienced professionals. And > there is the rub; this is a bitch-slap, not an act of unprofessional - > because this is not a professional forum. This forum is highly social, and > a bitch-slap is a social adjustment.**** > > -- > Espi**** > > **** > > **** > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > wrote:**** > > While I may not employ Gary's colorful vocabulary, I agree with his basic > sentiment. > I would think a solution would include such a capability. If you are > rolling your own then I suggest testing as I have had false positives with > robocopy. > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012, Cesare' A. Ramos <cra...@idfllc.com> wrote: > > Some of you on this list need to get out more or understand what the > purpose of a professional exchange is, as it is my understanding these > lists are for. At times we all need to bounce things off each other, as no > one person has all the answers. > > > > > > > > In addition, questions are simple at times there is no need for high > level of complexity to impress anyone. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help Michael and Joseph, clearly you guys read the > subject on the e-mail. > > > > > > > > CAR > > > > > > > > From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]**** > > > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:40 PM**** > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues**** > > > Subject: Re: Windows File Archive**** > > > > > > > > > > The problem with you damn do-gooders trying to answer his question is: > > > > * he hasn't stated what system he's working on, > > * or copying to, > > * or what he's tried, > > * or what he's considered. > > > > Is robocopy a windows only solution? (All I know it as, and I'm not > interested enough to look it up). Suppose he's on unix, linux, or mac? (I > understand some people use those?). Or even some old fashioned big iron or > something in-between like an AS/400 (yes, I know what they're called now)... > > > > I realize it's not likely, given the third-grade nature of his question. > But after all, he does work for a company billing itself as 'Your > Technology Solutions Provider'. > > > > So be careful, folks, he's a 'professional'. > > > > Shit, for all I can tell from the original post, he's trying to copy > PDF's from his SAN to his iPhone or something. Via his Outlook Server or > Linux Email or something. > > > > Actually, I apologize. Carpet boy was probably smarter. And yes, I > realize how dumb that sounds. > > > > FFS. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: "Joseph L. 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