Why is it always about size??? ;-) We have a multitude of various servers - Exchange, Oracle, DCs, BES, Sharepoint, SQL, email archiving, AV, yada yada yada. That's only the production servers, we have a small test environment as well plus various random older servers that were P2V'd and are kept for various reasons. We set it up for the possibility of a VMWare View project so yes, currently it's overkill and I'm ok with that.
John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! 5-6 guests per host? How tiny are these hosts? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! We average 5-6 per Host with 3 ESXi5 hosts. That being said any host failure and subsequent failover to the other two hosts will not impact the performance of the guest machines. It depends on what you are trying to accomplish - the least possible number of physical boxes or some resiliency. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts? With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be overkill. Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers.... Are 3 hosts a waste? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Yes! By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-) And you may as well run a physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC. The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate against and bring your environment back online. At your size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that way. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro <david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>> wrote: Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all. Period. Thoughts? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! >> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V >> boxes individually? No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. >> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" >> situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote: I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. ________________________________________ From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? 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