There's no 3G/4G? Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Graeme Carstairs Sent: 6/7/2012 7:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: No more SBS
My big problem in the UK and in Aberdeen is that the only affordable internet service is DSL and the majority of Exchanges are not LLU, so its BT Wholesale service, where the SLA is"we will make a best effort to fix in a reasonable timeframe" Now on premises SBS 2011 with Exchange links go down, you get no e-mail from outside. Office 365 for file and and e-mail and Sharepoint, Links go down you get no e-mail plus cant get at the rest of your stuff either. Backup DSL?? yeh from the same exchange on the same 50pair cable at the cabinet, probably ont he same DSLAM even if you go to a different ISP its still the BT wholesale service, so the chances are when DSL1 goes down the backup one goes down too. Get a leased line with SLA looking into £9000 plus depending on distance and bandwidth, per year, oh you could have a server for that and not need the leased line. We have 5% of our Small business clients on Office 365, we did have 10% but the 1st 2 days DSL outage and they wanted their servers back. Cloud is only as good as the links to the cloud, and unfortunately good reliable fast links are not cost acceptable in some parts of the world. I know that 95% of our SBS customers will not be happy and will make the move from Exchange to a.n. other e-mail server, and may move from MS all together. Graeme On 6 July 2012 07:30, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well then, let's put things in perspective. I've had my personal mail > domain hosted by Microsoft for several years now and I've never experienced > an outage. I know someone with Office 365 and he did. > > So, have they had outages? Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo.... sure. For > everyone? Was it just the free services or ALL of the pay services. Let's > not get into claiming that it affected millions on millions of people when > most of the time a few hundred to a few thousand were affected and most had > service restored in a few hours. > > We have some resilience with various apps at work and we work really hard > to maintain uptime, yet the storage team missed a small, yet evidently very > important check box on the new SAN last weekend and as a result, Monday was > a joy to be in the office. The only thing we could do was wait for the > storage team to correct the issue which just took time. > > So the cloud is no different then anyone's office. If you have a paid > service then you have SLA's and penalties for those not being met. > > Three of our various data centers will also being going upgrades to the > power in the next few months. While we have some resilience, we aren't > that large that we will have all services available when we shut the main > site down. AS a result, we get an outage. > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Greg Sweers <gswe...@acts360.com> wrote: > >> I would say for organizations with less than 200 people scheduled >> downtime is the norm. That is getting shorter with the combination of >> "Cloud" technologies and as hardware continues to get cheaper. I agree >> that larger organizations can afford the technology to prevent downtime as >> their downtime cost around a 24x7 schedule is easily justified with an ROI. >> I don’t know any SMB's that can't afford an hour downtime in the middle of >> the night for automatic patching, reboots, etc...and most of them do LOB >> apps upgrades once or twice a year for a few hours.. Hardly a business >> case for that kind of tech/software. >> >> Greg Sweers >> CEO >> ACTS360.com >> P.O. Box 1193 >> Brandon, FL 33509 >> 813-657-0849 Office >> 813-758-6850 Cell >> 813-341-1270 Fax >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:15 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: No more SBS >> >> Scheduled downtime is a good thing, especially in SMBs - when you don't >> have monetary resources, you use time and energy. Most small businesses >> have times when they're not staffed, and those are good times to do >> patching, upgrading, reconfiguring, etc. >> >> Larger businesses have the resources to pull these things off behind the >> scenes. >> >> Kurt >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com> >> wrote: >> > Eh, downtime is downtime. Call me oldschool. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 6:07 PM >> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> > Subject: Re: No more SBS >> > >> > There have been major outages of several hours each in several of the >> major cloud providers at the most inconvenient times - scheduled downtime >> is one thing, unscheduled outages another. >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> eh? Poor uptime records for clouds? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> This is unfortunate thinking, given the poor uptime record for >> >>> clouds in general, and it's worse when you consider connectivity >> >>> issues as part of that equation. >> >>> >> >>> Kurt >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Rod Trent <rodtr...@myitforum.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > Microsoft assumes, as do a lot of others, that small business are >> >>> > the easiest to move to the cloud and actually get the most, >> >>> > immediate benefit. >> >>> > No need for on-premise hardware. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] >> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:48 PM >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> >>> > Subject: RE: No more SBS >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > There will continue to be a SBS 2011 Essentials. But it doesn’t >> >>> > include SQL or Exchange. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I disagree with their decision, as does every SBS MVP. :-P >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > However, I see it as an ongoing “move to the Enterprise” for >> Microsoft. >> >>> > They >> >>> > are abandoning their small business roots. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] >> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:33 PM >> >>> >> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> >>> > Subject: No more SBS >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I don’t see the product in the environments I work in but >> >>> > Microsoft says no more SBS. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-goes-public-with-windows-server-201 >> >>> > 2 >> >>> > -versions-licensing-7000000341/ >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/D/B/4DB352D1-C610-466A-9A >> >>> > A F-EEF4F4CFFF27/WS2012_Licensing-Pricing_FAQ.pdf >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Q33. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business Server >> >>> > 2011 Standard? >> >>> > >> >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard, which includes >> >>> > Exchange Server and Windows server component products, will be the >> >>> > final such Windows Server offering. This change is in response to >> >>> > small business market trends and behavior. The small business >> >>> > computing trends are moving in the direction of cloud computing >> >>> > for applications and services such as email, online back-up and >> >>> > line-of-business tools. 13 >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Q34. 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