Marketers will always hang their product on the 'latest' cool thing - that's the same in all markets, not just IT. What matters is how much is absorbed at face value by decision makers.
We may be in different markets, or exposed to different people. But the architects and CIO/CTO type people that I've met all have (at least) a reasonably good idea of what "cloud" means, because they've all been looking at it for years. I wouldn't expect home users/consumers to use this definition, nor would I expect small business too either (my guess is that they don't have anyone who's dedicated to IT, and particularly IT strategy). But if you're a larger org, and you're looking to buy a cloud for something, then everything that comes out of HP, Oracle, SAP, DiData etc. tends to overlap with a framework like the NIST one. What they tend to do is oversell their capabilities/ability to execute, rather than completely mislabel something. Cheers Ken From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 10:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup to cloud? Maybe you know a different group of 'most people' then I do. While I like your definition and wish it was more in use by 'most people' the only people that count are the ones that cut checks near you. I am all for agreed upon definitions and I have seen movement among some marketers to infer this feature set, there are a wealth of other service organizations and other companies that sell their variation labeled as 'cloud' and we're not going to settle on a given definition for general usage quite yet as we don't control their marketers. Once you get into a 'purchase' or 'contract' phase of a given discussion then of course you can insist on adhering to a more specific definition. AS long as the technical specifics are defined in a given discussion with a vender, support organization, etc. then the 'marketing words' don't really matter. i.e. I could argue over the definition of the word 'cloud services' for an hour or I could use the hour meeting to ensure that the specifics of someone's offering are spelled out and appropriate to my organizations needs. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote: No - I disagree. Whilst, in IT, there is much marketing BS from vendors wanting to sell you stuff, the core cloud definitions are pretty well settled IMHO. Most people use a variation of what NIST has published: Features: * Perception of infinite capacity, with rapid elasticity (as far as the user is concerned the capacity is available on-demand) * Ability for user to perform self-service provisioning/deprovisioning (no need to involve the vendor) * Broad network access: access via widely accepted protocols (like web services) thus accessible on a variety of devices and thick/thin client models * Resource Pooling: multiple end users may be mixed together and spread across the available physical resources and fault domains * Measured service: automated monitoring and capacity management (e.g. dynamic provisioning and resource usage levelling). Also provides transparent resource (and thus cost) accounting to the end user Types: * IAAS (you get some compute, storage etc.), * PAAS (you get a platform, like SQL Server) or * SAAS (you get to use an application e.g. like SalesForce) Location: * Private (your DC), * Public (someone else's DC) and * Hybrid (in your DC, but you can expand or burst into someone else's) Just uploading some data to a DC is definitely not cloud. Most outsourcers and vendors struggle with implementing all the features unless they are building from the ground up. To build a pure cloud (and I've worked on a couple of large private ones) involves a lot of work to build the systems that automate everything, because there's a lot of stuff (provisioning, incident management) that's usually made up "on the fly" in most places. And you can't automate rules that don't exist. Cheers Ken From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com<mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 4:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? "The Cloud" is nothing more than someone else's data center. So yes, that is The Cloud. Thanks Webster From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Subject: RE: Backup to cloud? This is where the term "the cloud" becomes murky, in my opinion. 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