I try to stay out of the browser war conversations, but I would add that lots of SharePoint sites with high functionality still use ActiveX controls. That is a rather key factor.
Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day It's my opinion (always possible it's completely wrong) that whatever problems SharePoint has with browser compatibility (and I'm somewhat skeptical as to how many there are since a large part of Microsoft's web site is now running on SharePoint and it works with most other browsers), is due to trying to stay compatible with IE which admittedly has never been "standard". I think that once IE8 gets out the door and is compliant (crossing fingers as I type it), then SharePoint won't have to worry about keeping the non-standard pieces alive just to ensure 100% functionality with IE. Again just a theory, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day If you consider how many companies in the past screwed themselves by being locked into the Lotus Notes framework, you would be wise to make such considerations about other limited-compatibility products as well. Even if Lotus Notes worked for you, there was a continuous financial investment that likely could have been better invested elsewhere at a certain point. I'm not nay-saying the value of Sharepoint, but Kurt makes a point that you should consider. Microsoft's continued stance in not supporting browser compatibility is quite shortsighted. I know from security testing that I would definitely prefer my users to use Firefox. I wish I could be complacent in the use of IE, but its just not practical in my organization where I have to allow my users to investigate information online. This directly translates to home use - which is where the majority of the worlds phishing/trojan/zombie issues now lay. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ban SharePoint because it doesn't work with 3rd party browsers? That's just not a real bright statement. SharePoint solves business problems, browsers don't. > > And it certainly is not Microsoft's only way of making money. > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:47 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day > > I think it would instead be a reason why SharePoint would be banned > from your network... > > After all, any vendor whose only way of making a buck is to get > customers locked in by destroying compatibility with standards > shouldn't be encouraged, now should it? > > Heh. > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> SharePoint is most certainly not FF friendly which is why FF will be banned >> from our network... >> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ben Schorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Do all sites work in it? That's been my problem with Firefox >>> traditionally - I too often had to use IE to use sites I needed to use. So >>> I just figured the heck with it - if I'm in IE half the time anyhow it >>> doesn't make sense for me to maintain a separate browser. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ben M. Schorr >>> Chief Executive Officer >>> ______________________________________________ >>> Roland Schorr & Tower >>> www.rolandschorr.com >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:31 AM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >>> >>> >>> Firefox 3.0 downloaded & installed on my laptop. Seems to be much much >>> faster loading, and so far not hogging system resources. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:14 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, but is that? Like $5? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:09 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >>> Doh! >>> >>> I guess we were grandfathered, then. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Blair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:04 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >>> The Wii Internet Channel is now 500 points. It was free in the 'beta' >>> phase, but they started charging for it after it went final. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nintendo.com/wii/channels >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:59 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >>> Yep...just add the Internet channel. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:53 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >>> LOL >>> I thought you had to pay to get a browser on the Wii? >>> Do you mean you just add the internet channel? >>> I will have to check on this tonight. >>> Surfing the net on a 55" LCD will be..um..interesting. >>> LOL >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:50 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >>> fee for the wii? brb, gotta go pee... >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM, David Mazzaccaro >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > No fee? >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:22 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> > >>> > Yep. The Wii "Internet Channel" is awesome. You use the Wii wireless >>> > controllers to surf the web. Opera installs when you choose to load >>> the >>> > Internet channel. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:14 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> > >>> > "Opera on the Wii" >>> > - Is this free? >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:10 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> > >>> > Mozilla.com is down. >>> > >>> > BTW: If you want Firefox 3.0 now, here's the URL: >>> > >>> > http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0&os=win&lang=en-GB >>> > >>> > Remember, though, while you can get it now using this URL, it won't >>> > count >>> > toward the World record unless you wait a while and download from the >>> > primary download page. >>> > >>> > Our kids surf the Internet at home using Opera on the Wii. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:03 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> > >>> > There are some of us that browse the internet at home for >>> entertainment, >>> > you >>> > know. >>> > All work and no play makes be get a job at the post office. >>> > >>> > Christopher J. Bosak >>> > Vector Company >>> > c. 847.603.4673 >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> > "You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue." >>> > - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:02 hrs >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> > >>> > That could be true. I only visit web sites that allow me to do my >>> job. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:32 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> > >>> > Well, I'm a Moz fan and do promote FF to people when the conversation >>> is >>> > going that way. I don't really care what people use, I just don't want >>> > them >>> > (i.e. most folk) to use IE. You say you've never been hi-jacked or >>> > scripted, >>> > and I assume you mean you're browser's never been compromised in any >>> > way. I >>> > guess that also means your minimalists tendencies expand into what >>> > websites >>> > you visit too, because there are quite a few sites out there you *just >>> > don't >>> > visit* using IE. FF and Opera et al are not immune, but IMO IE is the >>> > single >>> > biggest security hole in Windows, years running. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Mike Gill >>> > >>> > >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:11 AM >>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >> >>> >> YMMV, I believe, too. >>> >> >>> >> Personally, I've not seen the substance. I get frustrated with >>> >> technology >>> >> pretty easily if it doesn't work the way I do. And, when that >>> happens >>> >> it >>> >> comes off the PC fairly quickly. I treat my computer as something >>> >> critical >>> >> to my well being. If I feel an application is just taking up space, >>> >> instead >>> >> of providing value to me, I don't keep it there. I've downloaded FF >>> > so >>> >> many >>> >> times, and removed it within a day of installation. >>> >> >>> >> As for security -- I've never been hijacked, or scripted. No Maxthon >>> >> here. >>> >> Again, I'm a software minimalist. Maxthon adds features that I'll >>> >> never >>> >> use. I just want to work. >>> >> >>> >> I might agree with the view of FF, if it weren't for Opera. Opera >>> > kind >>> >> of >>> >> puts the whole hype versus value to rest. Just my opinion. >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:35 AM >>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >> >>> >> I think the success of Firefox has gone way beyond hype at this >>> point. >>> >> And, I have posted here multiple times on my comparisons of IE >>> memory >>> >> use vs. Firefox; the majority of those tests have been negative to >>> IE. >>> >> >>> >> I wasnt looking to get into YABA, but while FF only gets better, IE >>> >> only gets worse. Its only saving grace in the past few years has >>> been >>> >> add-ons like Maxthon. >>> >> >>> >> Security-wise, I can point you to plenty of sites that will exploit >>> >> the hell out of IE but cant to FF. >>> >> >>> >> I dont appreciate the Mac-zealot style of hype that FF users promote >>> - >>> >> but the hype has substance. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rod Trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Nah, I just don't like to use things based on hype. >>> >> > >>> >> > I know, I know. Hype pretty much runs the industry these days (ex. >>> >> iPhone), >>> >> > but following the crowd gives me a bad feeling. >>> >> > >>> >> > Plus, I've never had much luck with Firefox, so I don't see the >>> >> benefit. >>> >> > It's slow, eats away at memory, etc. >>> >> > >>> >> > Now, Opera, on the other hand. No hype. Great product. That's >>> the >>> >> only >>> >> > 3rd party browser I would recommend. >>> >> > >>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> > From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:53 AM >>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >> > Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>> >> > >>> >> > Because Rod doesn't like anyone to use anything non-Microsoft. It >>> >> > scares him. ;-) >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Martin Blackstone >>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> >> Why? Seriously. 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