ActiveX - insecurity personified. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Michael B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I try to stay out of the browser war conversations, but I would add that > lots of SharePoint sites with high functionality still use ActiveX controls. > That is a rather key factor. > > Regards, > > Michael B. Smith > MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:32 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day > > It's my opinion (always possible it's completely wrong) that whatever > problems SharePoint has with browser compatibility (and I'm somewhat > skeptical as to how many there are since a large part of Microsoft's web > site is now running on SharePoint and it works with most other browsers), is > due to trying to stay compatible with IE which admittedly has never been > "standard". I think that once IE8 gets out the door and is compliant > (crossing fingers as I type it), then SharePoint won't have to worry about > keeping the non-standard pieces alive just to ensure 100% functionality with > IE. > Again just a theory, > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:06 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day > > If you consider how many companies in the past screwed themselves by > being locked into the Lotus Notes framework, you would be wise to make > such considerations about other limited-compatibility products as > well. > > Even if Lotus Notes worked for you, there was a continuous financial > investment that likely could have been better invested elsewhere at a > certain point. > > I'm not nay-saying the value of Sharepoint, but Kurt makes a point > that you should consider. Microsoft's continued stance in not > supporting browser compatibility is quite shortsighted. > > I know from security testing that I would definitely prefer my users > to use Firefox. I wish I could be complacent in the use of IE, but its > just not practical in my organization where I have to allow my users > to investigate information online. > > This directly translates to home use - which is where the majority of > the worlds phishing/trojan/zombie issues now lay. > > > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Ban SharePoint because it doesn't work with 3rd party browsers? That's > just not a real bright statement. SharePoint solves business problems, > browsers don't. >> >> And it certainly is not Microsoft's only way of making money. >> Tim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:47 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >> >> I think it would instead be a reason why SharePoint would be banned >> from your network... >> >> After all, any vendor whose only way of making a buck is to get >> customers locked in by destroying compatibility with standards >> shouldn't be encouraged, now should it? >> >> Heh. >> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> SharePoint is most certainly not FF friendly which is why FF will be > banned >>> from our network... >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ben Schorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Do all sites work in it? That's been my problem with Firefox >>>> traditionally - I too often had to use IE to use sites I needed to use. > So >>>> I just figured the heck with it - if I'm in IE half the time anyhow it >>>> doesn't make sense for me to maintain a separate browser. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ben M. Schorr >>>> Chief Executive Officer >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> Roland Schorr & Tower >>>> www.rolandschorr.com >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:31 AM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Firefox 3.0 downloaded & installed on my laptop. Seems to be much much >>>> faster loading, and so far not hogging system resources. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:14 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah, but is that? Like $5? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:09 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >>>> Doh! >>>> >>>> I guess we were grandfathered, then. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chris Blair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:04 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >>>> The Wii Internet Channel is now 500 points. It was free in the 'beta' >>>> phase, but they started charging for it after it went final. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nintendo.com/wii/channels >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:59 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >>>> Yep...just add the Internet channel. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:53 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >>>> LOL >>>> I thought you had to pay to get a browser on the Wii? >>>> Do you mean you just add the internet channel? >>>> I will have to check on this tonight. >>>> Surfing the net on a 55" LCD will be..um..interesting. >>>> LOL >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:50 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >>>> fee for the wii? brb, gotta go pee... >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM, David Mazzaccaro >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> > No fee? >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:22 PM >>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> > >>>> > Yep. The Wii "Internet Channel" is awesome. You use the Wii wireless >>>> > controllers to surf the web. Opera installs when you choose to load >>>> the >>>> > Internet channel. >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:14 PM >>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> > >>>> > "Opera on the Wii" >>>> > - Is this free? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:10 PM >>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> > >>>> > Mozilla.com is down. >>>> > >>>> > BTW: If you want Firefox 3.0 now, here's the URL: >>>> > >>>> > http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0&os=win&lang=en-GB >>>> > >>>> > Remember, though, while you can get it now using this URL, it won't >>>> > count >>>> > toward the World record unless you wait a while and download from the >>>> > primary download page. >>>> > >>>> > Our kids surf the Internet at home using Opera on the Wii. >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:03 PM >>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> > >>>> > There are some of us that browse the internet at home for >>>> entertainment, >>>> > you >>>> > know. >>>> > All work and no play makes be get a job at the post office. >>>> > >>>> > Christopher J. Bosak >>>> > Vector Company >>>> > c. 847.603.4673 >>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > >>>> > "You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue." >>>> > - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:02 hrs >>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> > >>>> > That could be true. I only visit web sites that allow me to do my >>>> job. >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:32 PM >>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> > >>>> > Well, I'm a Moz fan and do promote FF to people when the conversation >>>> is >>>> > going that way. I don't really care what people use, I just don't want >>>> > them >>>> > (i.e. most folk) to use IE. You say you've never been hi-jacked or >>>> > scripted, >>>> > and I assume you mean you're browser's never been compromised in any >>>> > way. I >>>> > guess that also means your minimalists tendencies expand into what >>>> > websites >>>> > you visit too, because there are quite a few sites out there you *just >>>> > don't >>>> > visit* using IE. FF and Opera et al are not immune, but IMO IE is the >>>> > single >>>> > biggest security hole in Windows, years running. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Mike Gill >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:11 AM >>>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >> Subject: RE: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >> >>>> >> YMMV, I believe, too. >>>> >> >>>> >> Personally, I've not seen the substance. I get frustrated with >>>> >> technology >>>> >> pretty easily if it doesn't work the way I do. And, when that >>>> happens >>>> >> it >>>> >> comes off the PC fairly quickly. I treat my computer as something >>>> >> critical >>>> >> to my well being. If I feel an application is just taking up space, >>>> >> instead >>>> >> of providing value to me, I don't keep it there. I've downloaded FF >>>> > so >>>> >> many >>>> >> times, and removed it within a day of installation. >>>> >> >>>> >> As for security -- I've never been hijacked, or scripted. No Maxthon >>>> >> here. >>>> >> Again, I'm a software minimalist. Maxthon adds features that I'll >>>> >> never >>>> >> use. I just want to work. >>>> >> >>>> >> I might agree with the view of FF, if it weren't for Opera. Opera >>>> > kind >>>> >> of >>>> >> puts the whole hype versus value to rest. Just my opinion. >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:35 AM >>>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >> >>>> >> I think the success of Firefox has gone way beyond hype at this >>>> point. >>>> >> And, I have posted here multiple times on my comparisons of IE >>>> memory >>>> >> use vs. Firefox; the majority of those tests have been negative to >>>> IE. >>>> >> >>>> >> I wasnt looking to get into YABA, but while FF only gets better, IE >>>> >> only gets worse. Its only saving grace in the past few years has >>>> been >>>> >> add-ons like Maxthon. >>>> >> >>>> >> Security-wise, I can point you to plenty of sites that will exploit >>>> >> the hell out of IE but cant to FF. >>>> >> >>>> >> I dont appreciate the Mac-zealot style of hype that FF users promote >>>> - >>>> >> but the hype has substance. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rod Trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > Nah, I just don't like to use things based on hype. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I know, I know. Hype pretty much runs the industry these days (ex. >>>> >> iPhone), >>>> >> > but following the crowd gives me a bad feeling. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Plus, I've never had much luck with Firefox, so I don't see the >>>> >> benefit. >>>> >> > It's slow, eats away at memory, etc. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Now, Opera, on the other hand. No hype. Great product. That's >>>> the >>>> >> only >>>> >> > 3rd party browser I would recommend. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>>> >> > From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:53 AM >>>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >> > Subject: Re: Firefox 3.0 Download Day >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Because Rod doesn't like anyone to use anything non-Microsoft. It >>>> >> > scares him. ;-) >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Martin Blackstone >>>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >> >> Why? Seriously. 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