I thought there were tool and work-arounds for such issues? And, wouldn't it be on those applications to be upgraded/patched for a "new" operating system? Because I mean, Windows 7 is a brand new operating system that we are paying for! Its certainly not just a "fixed" version of Vista. I mean, come on...
-- ME2 On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote: > Apparently lots of apps that check version numbers. I personally have > quite a few that I need to run installers in "Vista compatibility mode" > > Also, does it make sense to have Windows Server 2008 R2 as v7.0 given that > it is currently named an "R2" release? > > Cheers > Ken > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [michealespin...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, 7 May 2009 11:01 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Memory Dumps on large RAM OS > > I've heard this, but is that a *truly* legit reason to disregard proper > development/release numbering? What exactly is it going to break that cannot > be properly compensated for with patching/updates? > > -- > ME2 > > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote: > >> What dancing around? I thought it was for backwards compat? >> >> Windows Server 2008 R2 isn't getting a new version number AFAIK. >> >> Cheers >> Ken >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [michealespin...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Thursday, 7 May 2009 10:52 AM >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: Memory Dumps on large RAM OS >> >> I love how Microsoft has been dancing around why "7" doesn't have a >> new major release number (i.e 7.0), and is still within the 6.x cycle. >> -- >> ME2 >> >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Michael B. Smith < >> mich...@owa.smithcons.com> wrote: >> >>> what you commonly see in the non-public presentations is "why" >>> something is the way it is and some discussions about tradeoffs. >>> >>> in general, microsoft thinks that customers don't want to hear about >>> implementation tradeoffs. i would say that for your average end-user, that's >>> true. for your above-average tech., probably not so much. >>> >>> however, even in the non-public presentations, the discussions often get >>> bogged down in "why isn't this optional" and people expressing opinions that >>> a decision was made improperly. when you have the attention of the people >>> who wrote the code or can change the code, it's hard not to have an agenda. >>> microsoft prefers to keep those kinds of discussions under control. i would >>> too. :-) >>> >>> too many knobs to turn and buttons to push makes support impossible, >>> implementation ridiculously complicated, and code even more bloated than it >>> already is to meet the feature requests of customers. >>> >>> let's take an example: Vista. Vista is what people asked for. Pretty and >>> glitzy and new and secure and blah blah blah. But to run well, it took much >>> faster hardware, lots more memory, better graphics cards, etc. etc. People >>> didn't want to pay for that. Microsoft paid the price for giving the public >>> what they asked for. (Yes, yes, yes, they made some poor decisions too, but >>> that doesn't change my core point.) >>> >>> Win7 is Vista Reloaded. I don't care what you want to call it. It's >>> optimized and to reduce the memory footprint, lots of services were made >>> optional (decoupled), the graphics aren't as glitzy (unless you ask for >>> them) and the kernel handles multi-cores better. Lots of the knobs and >>> buttons that Vista exposed are now hidden; still there, but now under the >>> covers. >>> >>> anyway, i'm in a philosophical mood and i digress... >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [michealespin...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:58 PM >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>> *Subject:* Re: Memory Dumps on large RAM OS >>> >>> That would be most excellent of them to make available. Do you need >>> Secret Squirrel level clearance? >>> >>> -- >>> ME2 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Michael B. Smith < >>> mich...@owa.smithcons.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, and they take a damn long time to transfer too. >>>> >>>> Best practice for pagefile size on 64-bit Exchange Servers is RAM + 15 >>>> MB. >>>> >>>> And page file space is only loosely correlated to "paging out". I've got >>>> a great presentation on this topic that was made in a closed forum by Mark >>>> Russinovich (of sysinternals fame), but I don't think it was ever made >>>> public. >>>> >>>> Regardless, RAM + 15 MB is a good place to start (on x64), then adjust >>>> as necessary for your environment. >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Don Kuhlman [drkuhl...@yahoo.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:33 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Memory Dumps on large RAM OS >>>> >>>> Ps - just a thought or another question. >>>> With the RAM capacity of the newer Windows OS - 32 gig of RAM, are >>>> people generally just setting up the crash dump recovery on Windows to use >>>> the small memory dump, or some other setting besides a full dump? >>>> >>>> In theory, if you have a server with 32 gig of RAM, and if you wanted a >>>> full dump, you'd need a 32 gig page file which seems like a huge waste of >>>> space, because (in theory), the server with this much RAM would never be >>>> paging out especially to a page file that big, right? >>>> >>>> So how would you capture a dump? >>>> >>>> Don K >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Christopher Bodnar <christopher_bod...@glic.com> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:34:27 AM >>>> Subject: RE: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> >>>> You might want to check out this: >>>> >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963887.aspx >>>> >>>> Mark Russinovich's webcast on Crash Dump analysis might be of help to >>>> you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Bodnar, MCSE >>>> Sr. Systems Engineer >>>> Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services >>>> Guardian Life Insurance Company of America >>>> Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com >>>> Phone: 610-807-6459 >>>> Fax: 610-807-6003 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: drkuhl...@yahoo.com [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:26 AM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> >>>> Anyone ever see a situaition where the server doesn't write a mini or >>>> any >>>> other dump when it crashes? >>>> >>>> Better yet, does someone have a link to some good dump analysis site(s) >>>> ? >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Don k >>>> >>>> Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Brian Desmond <br...@briandesmond.com> >>>> >>>> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 02:35:20 >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >>>> Subject: RE: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> >>>> >>>> A kernel dump is good enough. You'll get a mini for free. >>>> >>>> You should do this on one of the crashing guests. Sorry if that wasn't >>>> clear. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Brian Desmond >>>> br...@briandesmond.com >>>> >>>> c - 312.731.3132 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:00 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> >>>> I've got tons of minidumps from this issue. All I know how to do is run >>>> them through WinDbg, and I always come up with PFN_LIST_CORRUPT. >>>> >>>> Per the suggestions here, I will turn on verifier.exe on one of the >>>> affected servers. Should I have it create a minidump, kernel dump, or >>>> full memory dump? What can I do differently with the dump file to >>>> pinpoint what's going on? >>>> >>>> I'm really at my wit's end with this. It's been going on ever since I >>>> began installing Sunbelt's Vipre on our servers. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much for the help. >>>> >>>> RS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:33 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> >>>> 0x4E is FPN_LIST_CORRUPT. This is unlikely to be caused by the host >>>> machine, especially if the VM is bluescreening with the same STOP code >>>> over and over. >>>> >>>> Usually 0x4E is a faulty kernel module of some kind (driver, file system >>>> filter or similar). >>>> >>>> Can we get access to a minidump file(s)? >>>> >>>> Brian's suggestion of turning on verifier.exe is also a good idea. It >>>> won't stop the BSODs, but it will catch the culprit in the act (e.g. >>>> when something writes to memory it shouldn't be) and make the dump files >>>> much better. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: mse...@ont.com [mse...@ont.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2009 1:50 AM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> >>>> Is there anything in under events for that VM? Also, check under >>>> /var/log >>>> for that ESX host to see if you have any errors. >>>> >>>> Original Message: >>>> ----------------- >>>> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org >>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:27:27 -0500 >>>> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com >>>> Subject: RE: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, but it doesn't apply here. This was a VM "built from scratch" >>>> from the VM console. It was never a physical machine. >>>> -- >>>> Richard >>>> "mse...@ont.com" <mse...@ont.com> wrote on 05/04/2009 10:14:14 AM: >>>> >>>> > Did you do cleanup after you P2V'd your server? >>>> > >>>> > Open a command prompt on the Windows VM (Start --> Run --> cmd). >>>> > set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 >>>> > devmgmt.msc >>>> > In the device management console (View --> Show Hidden Devices). >>>> > Uninstall the devices that are no longer required. Such as old network >>>> > devices. >>>> > >>>> > Mike >>>> > >>>> > Original Message: >>>> > ----------------- >>>> > From: richardmccl...@aspca.org >>>> > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:57:39 -0500 >>>> > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com >>>> > Subject: RE: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Yes. >>>> > >>>> > The crashes do not necessarily coincide with VIPRE scans, etc. >>>> > -- >>>> > Richard D. McClary >>>> > Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group >>>> > >>>> > ASPCA(r) >>>> > 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 >>>> > Urbana, IL 61802 >>>> > >>>> > richardmccl...@aspca.org >>>> > >>>> > P: 217-337-9761 >>>> > C: 217-417-1182 >>>> > F: 217-337-9761 >>>> > www.aspca.org >>>> > >>>> > The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, >>>> is >>>> >>>> > from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) >>>> (ASPCA >>>> > (r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and >>>> may >>>> >>>> > contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are >>>> not >>>> > the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that >>>> any >>>> > dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this >>>> > e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you >>>> have >>>> > received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply >>>> email >>>> > and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and >>>> any >>>> > printout thereof. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > "Richard Stovall" <richard.stov...@researchdata.com> wrote on >>>> 05/04/2009 >>>> >>>> > 08:50:58 AM: >>>> > >>>> > > Do you have Vipre on these VMs? >>>> > > >>>> > > From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] >>>> > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:43 AM >>>> > > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > > Subject: Frequent crashes on a virtual machine >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Greetings! >>>> > > >>>> > > Most of our user files are being moved to a VMWare VM. What is >>>> > > disturbing is, when I log in, I am frequently greeting with a notice >>>> > > that the machine re-booted from a crash... >>>> > > >>>> > > My users have never noticed anyting amiss as it reboots pretty >>>> > > quickly (so far). However, once it did this while it was being >>>> > > backed up, so a bunch of user files were skipped that day. >>>> > > >>>> > > I get this set of messages: >>>> > > >>>> > > Category (102) Event ID: 1003 >>>> > > >>>> > > Error code 0000004e, parameter1 0000009a, parameter2 00009028, >>>> > > parameter3 00000006, parameter4 00000002. >>>> > > >>>> > > Again, this is a VM. Google searches pretty much all point to >>>> > > solutions on a physical machine. >>>> > > >>>> > > Thanks! >>>> > > -- >>>> > > Richard D. McClary >>>> > > Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group >>>> > > >>>> > > ASPCA(r) >>>> > > 1717 S. 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