I think you will find that, as a generalization, things are not nearly so bad economically in the central US (ND down to TX) as they are on the 2 coasts. If you want warm just head to Oklahoma or Texas. :-) TVK
-----Original Message----- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant Yeah...but who wants to go work in North Dakota... I mean that place gets COLD! :-) -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant North Dakota - unemployment rate is about 4%, and the State government is running a surplus, according to NPR/Marketplace radio piece I heard last night. Several thousand job openings, too. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:12, Richard Stovall<richard.stov...@researchdata.com> wrote: > Canada? (If you're a Northern Hemisphere kinda person.) > > ----------------- > From: Cameron Cooper ccoo...@aurico.com > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:29:22 -0500 > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > > So for someone who is looking to move up in the IT field, what do > people recommend? > > > > _____________________________ > > Cameron Cooper > > IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified > > Aurico Reports, Inc > > Phone: 847-890-4021 Fax: 847-255-1896 > > ccoo...@aurico.com > > > > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:26 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant > > > > Remember that when you look at averages for the US on a whole, you > have to take into account the higher salaries available in the metro areas. > > I find that most of the salaries in the more comprehensive surveys are > low to average for the NYC metro area. It all depends on the sample > demographics. > > -ASB > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Maglinger, Paul <pmaglin...@scvl.com> > wrote: > > How about those salary surveys in the trade rags? > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:39 AM > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant > > > > Yup, what Vicky said. I've read too many stories like yours Scott, so > when I hear those radio ads, I KNOW it's not true and it just ticks me > off actually that they are even doing it. But, like they are saying in > their ad, stimulus money is available....and I don't want this to > denigrate into a political discussion but it just makes me angry when > an unscrupulous company is capitalizing on a government handout and > preying on clueless people and they won't be able to make good on > their promises of a great paying career in IT. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Vicky Spelshaus > <vicky.spelsh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ouch! just ouch. > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Scott Williamson > <scottwilliamson...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > At least everybody here has a job. I lost my job in March.. The > recession hurt our online sales (50% drop in sales). The owner, who > had no clue when it came to SEO/SEM, decided to make all these changes > to get it in top of the search engines. He ignored the employees, > including our marketing person. We said this would hurt us even more. > Boom!... an 80% drop in sales. From over $40,000 a day in online sale > to just over $8,000 in six months. The owner kept assuring us that the > company has been through this before and we will weather is out. The > company has over $2 millions in reserves (found out this was not true). > > The owner quietly sold the business under us. We came to work and > it was closed. Your paychecks will be sent in the mail. It never came. > Company filed for bankruptcy the same day it closed. I went from 115K > a year as the IT Director to $450 a week on unemployment. If figured > with 15 years IT experience, a Masters in Information Systems, a PMP, > A+, Network+, MCP, and advanced ColdFusion certified, I could find a > job. > > Nope... Over 200 positions I have applied or sent my resume to and > I got only one interview for an System Administrator making $55,000. > The only way I got the interview was because I has to dumb down my > resume. Did not get the job. They found someone with more experience > and the HR person said that over 300 people applied for the position.. > Three years ago, they could barely get 5 to apply. Recruiters are no help. > > I do have family in the Dallas area, and got a couple hits from > companies in Dalles. But the both stated that because I am out of > town, they feel I will leave when things pick up. Not true. I am > looking to get out of California! > > So.. it is now August. My savings is dried up and my wife makes > $40,000 a year as a dental assistant.. Not enough in Southern > California. Mortgage company will not do a forbearance so we have to > move out of our house and live with my brother. But the rent wont > cover the mortgage and we have already accepted the fact that we will > lose our house. I have spent $3,000 on two attorneys to help us with > the mortgage company.. no help. > > I get a kick reading that IT jobs are the hot jobs and they are > hard to fill. Not enough skilled workers. I have not experienced that. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: "Ziots, Edward" <ezi...@lifespan.org> > To: NT System Admin Issues > <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:34:23 AM > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > I agree, right now, a lot if not most companies are "bleeding a > nickel" when it comes to getting maximum productivity out of workers, > on top of reducing costs any and every way they can. I don't see this > trend ending for a few years to come. > > > > Like its been said before for those that get raises ( Ours have > been frozen too, and possibly for longer for just this year) along > with the raise in paying more for your benefits, less in the 401K, > 403B, and no training budget) be happy you have a job and a roof over > your head, it could be a lot worse, and quiet quickly.. > > > > I agree use the opportunity to stand out, put in the time, (and we > all know it isn't a 40 hr work week, you are lucky if you get away > with 60-70 hrs a week now a days) learn all you can learn with new > technologies, and bide your time. > > > > Z > > > > Edward Ziots > > Network Engineer > > Lifespan Organization > > MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + > > ezi...@lifespan.org > > Phone:401-639-3505 > > ________________________________ > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:17 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant > > > > Guess I shouldn't complain about our 1% raise company wide. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sam Cayze <mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com> > > To: NT System Admin Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:49 PM > > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > > > Well put, nice words Andy. (And others). > > > > They might be lowballing to find someone serious about the > position, not the paycheck. If you bite, they may make it worth your > while if you are committed. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:27 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > Chris, > > It's tough out there no doubt and I feel your pain, many of us > that are employed are right there with you. Salary cuts, benefit cost > increases, insurance coverage decreases, 401(k)s turning into 101(k)s, > furloughs, FREAKIN' COMISSION PLAN RESTRUCTURES (I fell better). The > cut sucks, I understand, but you're standing there with an FULL TIME > OFFER LETTER. To many IT guys that are stupid smart are now bagging > groceries... > > > > I encourage everyone in this situation to look long term; the > here and now is not fun but it is temporary. "This too, shall pass", > wrote the psalmist. I would use the opportunity you have been given to > rise above the morale, fear\doom & gloom and stand out; i.e. > all of you be the rock star in your current position(s). It's a killer > opportunity, as the fat has been trimmed and orgs are now focusing on > everything & everyone with laser precision. > > > > Be the best... [1] > > > > Shook > > [1] This could be perceived as an unintentional Karate Kid > reference (tournament music....You're the best, around. No one's ever > gunna beat you down) but that was not the intent. J > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Bodnar > <christopher_bod...@glic.com> wrote: > > I know I'm not going to get a any sympathy here, due to the > unemployment rate, and the economy in general, but needed to vent a > little. Was hired as a contract to hire position last year. Great > company, close to home, good salary. 6 months in they cut my salary by > 10% to the contracting company, which was then passed on to me. I was > told at the time, that if/when I was offered full time employment, I > would be brought on with the initial salary I had started at. Just go > the official offer, and it's 5% below that. I know I should be > thankful I even have a job, which I am. But I still feel like they are > low-balling me just because of the economy. If the economy would be > better and more IT jobs out there, I'd tell them to take a hike and > see what happens. Can't afford to do that right now with a mortgage > and 2 kids. For once I just wish someone would offer me what was promised. > Sorry, not looking to offend anyone out there. 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