Throwing more space at something is not always the Cure-All.
 
Backing up 2GB of Service Pack uninstallers/etc on every
server/workstation is waste of space and time during backups, but more
importantly RESTORES.
 
I do DR drills a lot, and there is nothing more annoying than watching
progress bars for useless files that you will never need.
 
I try to keep my servers THIN and as lightweight as possible.  Even my
Exchange server is only using 7.5 GB on the OS Partition.  
 
-Sam
 
 

________________________________

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SuspectedSpam:Re: Question about a folder under C:\Windows


Agreed.

Whenever possible, make sure your OS drive/partition is large enough
(30GB min) and store as much as possible on other drives so that the OS
can find the things it wants where it expects to find them.

I used to tweak many things about installation paths in NT4 and even a
little in 2000, but stopped, because it was no longer worth the effort.
The OS will punish you for making the wrong decision, and the impact
might not be apparent for a while.

Other than TEMP folders, and things related to IE, I don't mess around
with those Windows folders too much.


        

        -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare
<[email protected]> wrote:


        Careful with that.

        

        There are dependencies there for future things (think
removing/re-adding a windows component), that you may not realize.

        

        -sc

        

        From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[email protected]] 
        Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:29 PM 

        To: NT System Admin Issues
        
        Subject: RE: Question about a folder under C:\Windows 

        

        

        "It's best to not touch folders within the .\Windows directory
to try to reclaim disk space."

        

        You can safely delete all the update install folders for Windows
Update and Service Packs if your machine is running stable and you doubt
you will ever need to uninstall them.

        

        Frees up a LOT of space.

        

        Sam

        

________________________________

        From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]

        Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:17 PM
        To: NT System Admin Issues
        Subject: Re: Question about a folder under C:\Windows

        
        As hinted, the Install Clean-up Tool is essentially MSIZAP with
a GUI. It's best to use it by: 
        
        1. Use the Conrol Panel Add/Remove programs to unistall
applications, then 
        
        2. Run the Installer Clean-Up tool, and select any apps you
believe should have been removed. (Add/Remove sometimes leaves pieces
behihd, depending on how well written the app was.) 
        
        3. Check your file system - some pieces get left behind in the
.\Program Files directory. 
        
        Do NOT use the clean-up tool first in order to uninstall apps!
That will do a great job of making the Add/Remove control panel applet
unusable for that app. 
        
        Back to the original "problem"... It's best to not touch folders
within the .\Windows directory to try to reclaim disk space. (There is
probably a .\Windows\temp folder, but I've never seen much in those
folders.) Use something like WinTree, WinDirStat, etc to locate big
files or folders. Some browser caches can get to be pretty big. If a
machine has multiple users, some of those profiles (some of which are
local caches of a roaming user) can approach Gbs in size. I've seen
machines with several crash dump files in the root directory. (Some
crash dump files also end up in an administrators local settings profile
instead of the rood.) 
        -- 
        richard 
        
        Ben Scott <[email protected]> wrote on 09/28/2009 01:05:59
PM:
        
        > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Joseph Heaton
<[email protected]> wrote:
        > > The c:\windows\installer folder. On the system I'm looking
at it 
        > is a hidden system folder. Does anyone know the function of
this 
        > folder, and whether or not the contents can be cleared?
        > 
        > That folder is part of the -- wait for it -- Windows
Installer.
        > (Also called "Microsoft Installer" or MSI.) The folder gets
used to
        > store a number of things, including database information about
        > installed packages, cached patches for (re)installation,
program icons
        > (stored as .EXE files), temporary files during install, and
other
        > mysterious stuff. It typically uses opaque IDs rather than
        > human-readable names. It's your classic Microsoft
big-ball-of-mud.
        > 
        > You don't want to go "pruning" in there without specific
direction.
        > If you remove a file related to a currently-installed package,
then
        > future attempts at upgrading, repairing, or removing that
package may
        > fail. For example, patches are cached so they can be
re-applied or
        > reversed during future operations, and database info tells MSI
exactly
        > what to do during an uninstall.
        > 
        > However, it is also quite possible for stale files to
accumulate in
        > there. Unfortunately, since it's a rather opaque data store,
it's
        > hard to know what's needed and what isn't.
        > 
        > The MSIZAP utility has a command, G, to "remove orphaned
cached
        > Windows Installer data files". Exactly how it determines what
an
        > orphan is, I don't know, but it's supposedly safe as long as
you don't
        > use the "!" modifier to force things. I don't know if it's
        > comprehensive -- I don't know if "MSIZAP G" will find all
possible
        > stale/orphan files. I suspect not.
        > 
        > The other options in MSIZAP generally remove information from
the
        > MSI store without actually touching package files on your
system. In
        > other words, indiscriminate use of MSIZAP will just remove the
        > *record* of an install, not the install itself. You have been
warned.
        > 
        > The MSIZAP tool comes with the "Windows Installer Cleanup
Utility".
        > You can get it from MSKB 290301.
        > 
        > -- Ben
        > 
        > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
hog! ~
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        > 

        

        

        

        

        

        

        


 

 


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