On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Debian had the Drupal CMS in their distributions for
> years and despite many attempts we could not get that thing out of
> their despite it being old/unsecure/not-desired all because some guy
> refused to remove it from the repo.
>
> At least with MS OS and Applications we have a central point.

  I've heard that before.  Never, *ever* have I encountered or seen or
heard of the "central point of blame" actually helping a situation.
Not for mere mortals like me and my colleagues, anyway.

   Say Microsoft screws up.  *What then*?  I call PSS and pay $250 and
if I'm lucky, the call center monkey I got has a half a brain and
acknowledges the issue.

  From then on, I'm helpless.  I don't know what group in Microsoft
has responsibility for fixing it; I don't know when or *if* it will be
fixed.  It's all a faceless corporation.  At least you knew which guy
in Debian to blame.  Maybe someday Microsoft publishes a hotfix, or
maybe they just say "This behavior is by design" and tell me, politely
and professionally, to pound sand.  Or maybe they even say, yah,
that's a problem, but we won't be fixing this any time soon, sorry.
Maybe in the next release of Windows.  Or the one after that for sure.

  Please tell me how "having a big company to blame" makes this better
for me or my employer.  I've heard that line so many times, and yet it
never happens.

  (Plus, if you really want the company-to-blame thing, that's
available for Linux, too.  Novell or Red Hat or Canonical will happily
take your money and let you blame them all you want.)

> We have had very few actual patch related issues.
> We have had many claims that the issue were patch
> related but when drilled down on turned out
> to generally be not a patch issue.

  When I compare Linux and Windows, I often say that it's not that one
*can't* do this or that on Windows, but that it costs more.  Same
thing here.  More stuff in this area is built-in, and what's there is
more sophisticated in functionality and is easier to maintain.  All
that adds up to lower costs.

> Vendors need to get on the band wagon and begin to leverage the tools
> Microsoft has supplied them ...

  To the best of my knowledge, with MSI, I can't do half of what I can
do with RPM (see my other posts in this thread for examples).  If I
can, please point me at an FM that I can R; I will shower you with
thanks and buy you the frosty beverage of your choice.  This applies
to Windows components and Microsoft applications as much as it does to
third-party stuff, so this isn't a "third party vendors all suck"
issue, as far as I can see.

-- Ben

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