Yeah the Non Profit status makes it a non-brainer in almost every case for us, but we have a Citrix company who has setup several implementations for us for regular businesses, and I never get calls on it being down other than when a patch goes awry. Of course 2008 R2 I cannot recall an issue with it either in the past few months.
Heck our TechSoup qualified customers for Microsoft makes it a open/shut case. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/> P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OMFG it works (was RE: 2008 R2 RDS (was Terminal Server)in DMZ to 2K3 DC in LAN) Right. Our non-profit licensing/seat is about $20 x 150 users = $3000 Probably 30 hours of work soup to nuts for the labor of everyone involved? Let's call it $2000 of NWEA labor (this includes total FTE cost, not just their salary). Really hard to tell how much actual time as it was time here, time there, working with the network guys, etc. I could of course duplicate this entire thing in about 4 hours (or less) now but that's a different story, it was the learning curve and it was fun!!! We might have saved labor costs by bringing someone in to set it up but where's the fun in that, and now I have that knowledge (documenting everything as we speak while it's fresh in my head) I swear 50% of the time was the DMZ system effort - sticking it in the LAN and opening 443 out would have saved significant time. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OMFG it works (was RE: 2008 R2 RDS (was Terminal Server)in DMZ to 2K3 DC in LAN) Citrix products are certainly expensive. And it bugs me that the company really does not have a non-profit/health/GSA pricing scheme. For years we held off on full Citrix deployment, only due to the cost. But..I spent many hours, like Dave, getting Terminal Server working, only to decide after several months it was too much work to maintain a Terminal Server farm as well as several Citrix systems. I was constantly working on the Terminal Server system. I rarely touched the XenApp/XenServer/Access Gateway systems. I decommissioned the Terminal Server systems and now my users are happy with the better performance of Xenapp, I'm happy that I don't have to baby-sit it. Anyway you'd need to somehow figure hours into your cost estimates. My man-hours spent on Terminal Server exceeded any possible savings compared to XenApp. Note my experience was with Terminal Server 2008 - I understand R2 is much improved. Tom >>> <greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net> 12/2/2010 9:45 AM >>> And how much more money? :) I would be interested in seeing that breakdown. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/> P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OMFG it works (was RE: 2008 R2 RDS (was Terminal Server)in DMZ to 2K3 DC in LAN) And how many hours could you have gotten the same thing done in Citrix? Less than 1 day perhaps? :) Webster From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] Subject: OMFG it works (was RE: 2008 R2 RDS (was Terminal Server)in DMZ to 2K3 DC in LAN) Holy crap, the friggin' farm actually works! The gateway server is in the DMZ, only 443 outbound and the previous ports mentioned heading inbound. There are a LOT of little gotcha's that aren't 100% intuitive (machine membership in other machines local groups, where RDS stuff points to what, certs everywhere, DNS round robin, not to mention the previously discussed firewall DMZ stuff) but I feel pretty good going from zero to five 2008 R2 RDS servers (1 gateway that talks to a broker that load balances to three RDS app servers) in what...three weeks, all while doing my other admin-y stuff. I could add redundant gateways and brokers too...later. The acid test will be the 17th, but at the moment I feel pretty good about how it'll go - it does all the stuff I used to use Citrix for from home (old stuff, Metaframe XP...). 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