But the term natural born has been up to interpretation. Goldwater was born in a territory. McCain was born on a base. A non-citizen can have a baby here and it can become president, but under the strictest of interpretations, the child of a serviceman, diplomat, or even Peace Corp worker, born out of the US, cannot.
And while I understand some people think a military base is actually US soil, it doesnt mean it qualifies as natural born. Luckily weve not really had to have all that challenged. From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: [OT] Obama birth certificate I know this from my wife becoming a citizen a few years ago. The only thing she can not become is the President. The Passport is only given to citizens. It does not matter where you are born only if you are a citizen. The reason the Federal government has the requirement of natural born citizen for the president was the fear of outsiders coming here and taking over control. Keep in mind the Constitution was written less than 20 years after a very bloody and costly war with a very superior power. A power that was still trying to force their will on people NOT from their country and was even kidnapping US citizens and forcing them to serve on their war ships that were attacking our shipping. The president is more than a figure head and acts and the top war making person. He/she can not declare a war but they can send in troops and make war. I a lot of people at the time and still today would not trust someone that has no vested interest in the US to become the president. Add to that getting the Constitution changed is a nightmare most of those in power do not want to do. Things like term limits, making them accountable for their actions, restricting what they can/could get away with, etc. Another consideration is past mistakes that cost the nation big time like Prohibition. Then there is perception. Perceptions like Europe trying to force the US to get rid of the Death Penalty. Telling us it is wrong is one thing restricting our ability to get what is thought of as a more humane way to put people to death just makes for anger and noncompliance. Most of the people in this country descend from people that were forced to leave their homeland. Right or wrong many remember our roots and really don't like being told by the descendants of those that forced our ancestors out of their homeland to do something. Jon Harris On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Miguel Gonzalez <miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es> wrote: And the point is? :-) Sorry guys but I don't think that the US is that different to other federal countries. I'm coming from a federal country myself (Spain) and there are many other federal countries (and co-federal like Switzerland) in the world. That means that every region, lander or state (choose your name) can have different laws. But they can't never be against the constitution. Every federal country has a Court for watching if any new law can be the constitutional rights. What the US constitution is saying is that that there is a difference between having an US passport (second class) and having it and being born in the US (first class).That was my point. The fact that you can be a governor (or not) but not an US president was irrelevant but just a curiosity :) Miguel --- El jue, 17/3/11, Kennedy, Jim <kennedy...@elyriaschools.org> escribió: > De: Kennedy, Jim <kennedy...@elyriaschools.org> > Asunto: RE: [OT] Obama birth certificate > Para: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Fecha: jueves, 17 de marzo, 2011 14:01 > > I think it points more towards the autonomy of the States. > For many things, the States can do as they wish. The US born > requirement for our President was part of our founding > Constitution. Another part of that Constitution > delegates a great deal of self-rule to the individual > States. As they became States they were able to decide that > issue for themselves. Even now if a State wanted to require > you to be US born to be a governor they certainly could pass > a State Constitutional amendment to do so. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es] > > > > It's quite curious that you can be a governor of a State > not being born in the US but you can't elect that person as > US president. This states clear that there are first and > second class US passports. > > Miguel > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource > hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> > ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
