Hello all, We are making a decision (again) about what to do about the behavior of multiple-field indexing of structured arrays: Should it return a view or a copy, and on what release schedule?
As a reminder, this refers to operations like (1.13 behavior): >>> a = np.zeros(3, dtype=[('a', 'i4'), ('b', 'i4'), ('c', 'f4')]) >>> a[['a', 'c']] array([(0, 0.), (0, 0.), (0, 0.)], dtype=[('a', '<i4'), ('c', '<f4')] In numpy 1.14.0 we made this return a view instead of a copy, but downstream test failures suggest we reconsider. In our current implementation for 1.14.1, we have reverted this change, but still plan to go through with it in 1.15. See here for our discussion the problem and solutions: https://github.com/numpy/numpy/pull/10411 The two main options we have discussed are either to try to make the change in 1.15, or never make the change at all and always return a copy. Here are some pros and cons: Pros (change to view in 1.15) ============================= * Views are useful and convenient. Other forms of indexing also often return views so this is more consistent. * This change has been planned since numpy 1.7 in 2009, and there have been visible FutureWarnings about it since then. Anyone whose code will break should have seen the warnings. It has been extensively warned about in recent release notes. * Past discussions have supported the change. See my comment in the PR with many links to them and to other history. * Users have requested the change on the list. * Possibly a majority of the reported code failures were not actually caused by the change, but by another bug (#8100) involving np.load/np.save which this change exposed. If we push it off to 1.15, we will have time to fix this other bug. (There were no FutureWarnings for this breakage, of course). * The code that really will break is of the form a[['a', 'c']].view('i8') because the returned itemsize is different. This has raised FutureWarnings since numpy 1.7, and no users reported failures due to this change. In the PR we still try to mitigate this breakage by introducing a new method `pack_fields`, which converts the result into the 1.13 form, so that np.pack_fields(a[['a', 'c']]).view('i8') will work. Cons (keep returning a copy) ============================ * The extra convenience is not really that much, and fancy indexing also returns a copy instead of a view, so there is a precedent there. * We want to minimize compatibility breaks with old behavior. We've had a fair amount of discussion and complaints about how we break things in general. * We have lived with a "copy" for 8 years now. At some point the behavior gets set in stone for compatibility reasons. * Users have written to the list and github about their code breaking in 1.14.0. As far as I am aware, they all refer to the #8100 problem. * If a new function `pack_fields` is needed to guard against mishaps with the view behavior, that seems like a sign that keeping the copy behavior is the best option from an API perspective. My initial vote is go with the change in 1.15: The "view" code that will ultimately break (not the code related to #8100) has been sending FutureWarnings for many years, and I am not aware of any user complaints involving it: All the complaints so far would be fixed with #8100 in 1.15. Feel free to also discuss the related proposed change, to make np.diag return a view instead of a copy. That change has not been implemented yet, only proposed. Cheers, Allan _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion