Hi, On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.br...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Travis Oliphant <tra...@continuum.io> wrote: >>>> >>>> When we selected the name NumFOCUS just a few weeks ago, we created the >>>> list >>>> for numfocus and then I signed everyone up for that list who was on the >>>> other one. I apologize if anyone felt left out. That is not my >>>> intention. >>> >>> My point is that there are two ways go to about this process, one is >>> open and the other is closed. In the open version, someone proposes >>> such a group to the mailing lists. They ask for expressions of >>> interest. The discussion might then move to another mailing list that >>> is publicly known and widely advertised. Members of the board are >>> proposed in public. There might be some sort of formal or informal >>> voting process. The reason to prefer this to the more informal >>> private negotiations is that a) the community feels a greater >>> ownership and control of the process and b) it is much harder to >>> weaken or subvert an organization that explicitly does all its >>> business in public. >> >> Your points are well taken. However, my point is that this has been >> discussed on an open mailing list. Things weren't *as* open as they could >> have been, perhaps, in terms of board selection. But, there was opportunity >> for people to provide input. > > I am on the numpy, scipy, matplotlib, ipython and cython mailing > lists. Jarrod and Fernando are friends of mine. I've been obviously > concerned about numpy governance for some time. I didn't know about > this mailing list, had only a vague idea that some sort of foundation > was being proposed and I had no idea at all that you'd selected a > board. Would you say that was closer to 'open' or closer to 'closed'?
By the way - I want to be clear - I am not suggesting that I should have been one of the people involved in these discussions. If you were choosing a small number of people to discuss this with, one of them should not be me. I am saying that, if I didn't know, it's reasonable to assume that very few people knew, who weren't being explicitly told, and that this means that the process was, effectively, closed. See you, Matthew _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
