Hi,

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Christopher Jordan-Squire
<cjord...@uw.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Sturla Molden <stu...@molden.no> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Den 18. feb. 2012 kl. 05:01 skrev Jason Grout <jason-s...@creativetrax.com>:
>>
>>> On 2/17/12 9:54 PM, Sturla Molden wrote:
>>>> We would have to write a C++ programming tutorial that is based on Pyton 
>>>> knowledge instead of C knowledge.
>>>
>>> I personally would love such a thing.  It's been a while since I did
>>> anything nontrivial on my own in C++.
>>>
>>
>> One example: How do we code multiple return values?
>>
>> In Python:
>> - Return a tuple.
>>
>> In C:
>> - Use pointers (evilness)
>>
>> In C++:
>> - Return a std::tuple, as you would in Python.
>> - Use references, as you would in Fortran or Pascal.
>> - Use pointers, as you would in C.
>>
>> C++ textbooks always pick the last...
>>
>> I would show the first and the second method, and perhaps intentionally 
>> forget the last.
>>
>> Sturla
>>

> On the flip side, cython looked pretty...but I didn't get the
> performance gains I wanted, and had to spend a lot of time figuring
> out if it was cython, needing to add types, buggy support for numpy,
> or actually the algorithm.

At the time, was the numpy support buggy?  I personally haven't had
many problems with Cython and numpy.

> The C files generated by cython were
> enormous and difficult to read. They really weren't meant for human
> consumption.

Yes, it takes some practice to get used to what Cython will do, and
how to optimize the output.

> As Sturla has said, regardless of the quality of the
> current product, it isn't stable.

I've personally found it more or less rock solid.  Could you say what
you mean by "it isn't stable"?

Best,

Matthew
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