On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Fernando Perez <fperez....@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.br...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Right - but that would be an absurd overstatement of what I said. >> There's no point in addressing something I didn't say and no sensible >> person would think. Indeed, it makes the discussion harder. > > Well, in that case neither Eric Firing nor I are 'sensible persons', > since that's how we both understood what you said (Eric's email > appeared to me as a more concise/better phrased version of the same > points I was making). You said: > > """ > I'm glad to hear that discussion is happening, but please do have it > on list. If it's off list it easy for people to feel they are being > bypassed, and that the public discussion is not important. > """ > > I don't think it's an 'absurd overstatement' to interpret that as > "don't have discussions off-list", but hey, it may just be me :)
The absurd over-statement is the following: " I'm afraid I have to disagree: you seem to be proposing an absolute, 'zero-tolerance'-style policy against any off-list discussion. " >> meta-problem that is a real problem is that we've shown ourselves that >> we are not currently good at having discussions on list. > > Oh, I know that did happen in the past regarding this very topic (the > big NA mess last summer); what I meant was to try and trust that *this > time around* things might be already moving in a better direction, > which it seems to me they are. It seems to me that everyone is > genuinely trying to tackle the discussion/consensus questions head-on > right on the list, and that's why I proposed waiting to see if there > were really any problems before asking Nathaniel not to have any > discussion off-list (esp. since we have no evidence that what they > talked about had any impact on any decisions bypassing the open > forum). The question - which seems to me to be sensible rational and important - is how to get better at on-list discussion, and whether taking this particular discussion mainly off-list is good or bad in that respect. See you, Matthew _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
