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On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Fergal Byrne <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Danese, > > Thanks for that, I'm not surprised. I'm sure everything's been tried! > > In this case, you get a source code license with the commercial TBOL, and > the license is also transitive from the outset of the license being taken > out. So the copyright owner has already committed to the time-bomb, and > can't change their mind. Anyone holding the source code than open source it > once the time bomb goes off. > > Interestingly, the (parody?) Stallman account [1] faved my friend's tweet > about this! > > (For the list, Danese is the expert on these matters who helped Numenta to > go Open Source, so she's a friend of the project) > > Kind Regards, > > Fergal > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Danese Cooper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Fergal et al, >> >> Not a new idea (Richard Stallman suggested this compromise to Sun for >> Java in 2000)...but also not one that has taken off in the Open Source >> world, mostly in the wake of ownership changes (such a Oracle taking over >> all of Sun's important open source projects and systematically screwing >> them all up). The problem with a time-bombed licensing scheme is ... Time. >> Circumstances change. Copyright holders get cold feet. Future promises >> start to sound like the Whimpy character in Popeye comics, who would >> "Gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today". >> >> My $.02 >> D >> >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Fergal Byrne <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> No such thing as a stupid question David, just the ones you don't ask! >> This is a (barely) 4-day old idea, so it'll have wrinkles. Please test to >> destruction. >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Fergal Byrne <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> If you're a small startup, and you want to build an Open Source project >>> so that you have extra help developing it, you're currently stuck never >>> earning money directly from the product (you're reduced to secondary income >>> from support, consultancy and so on). You might not have the resources to >>> build it all yourself (we don't all live in the Valley and have the ears of >>> investors), and developing your own commercial license is tricky and >>> expensive. >>> >>> This idea gives you a chance to combine the best of both, and avoid the >>> worst. It also reassures investors that your customers will not be lost in >>> the event your startup fails, because it reverts to an open source project. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:02 PM, cogmission (David Ray) < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmm. Then I don't see the advantage? It's like having your >>>> intellectual property torn out from under you after 4 years? :P lol! >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Fergal Byrne < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, that's exactly what it says you can't do! You have to go 100% Open >>>>> Source after 2-4 years, you have to monetize before then. On the other >>>>> hand, you can start again with a new major version of your product, but >>>>> the >>>>> old version will have to have been fully opened up. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, cogmission (David Ray) < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Assuming the business in question is fully able to monetize their >>>>>> initial offering within 4 years, they could then (after being bombed :-P) >>>>>> opt for a full commercial license with full fees. I like it! It offers a >>>>>> way to charge a minimal affordable fee initially while the business model >>>>>> awaits confirmation - while still offering the original rights owner the >>>>>> ability to capitalize later when affordable by the customer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Interesting... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Fergal Byrne < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After a wonderful weekend at the hackathon, Richard Crowder and I >>>>>>> were brainstorming as we walked around Manhattan on Monday. We came up >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a new (or new twist on an) idea for dual Open Source/Commercial >>>>>>> projects. >>>>>>> We call it the Time-bombed Open License [1]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The idea is that you release your software under something strongly >>>>>>> copylefted like the GPL for non-commercial use. For commercial users >>>>>>> (who >>>>>>> often can't use GPL software inside their own codebase or business), you >>>>>>> charge a fee to absolve the customer from all the GPL obligations, but >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a catch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your ability to operate the commercial license is time-bombed for >>>>>>> 2-4 years, after which time it becomes fully GPL (or whichever your OSS >>>>>>> license is). This is transitive, so your customers must also start a >>>>>>> time-bomb of the same length. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We'd welcome feedback on this idea from you guys, and wonder would >>>>>>> this be of interest for Numenta's commercial license for NuPIC? It might >>>>>>> also be worth thinking about for nupic-community projects (this would >>>>>>> involve Numenta granting commercialisation rights to these projects). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fergal Byrne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] http://occupystartups.me >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>>>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - >>>>>>> https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>>>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>>>>> Read for free or buy the book at >>>>>>> https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>>>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>>>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *With kind regards,* >>>>>> >>>>>> David Ray >>>>>> Java Solutions Architect >>>>>> >>>>>> *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* >>>>>> Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://cortical.io >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>>> >>>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>>> >>>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>>> >>>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>>> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>>> >>>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *With kind regards,* >>>> >>>> David Ray >>>> Java Solutions Architect >>>> >>>> *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* >>>> Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://cortical.io >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>> >>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>> >>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>> >>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>> >>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >> >> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >> >> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >> >> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >> >> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >> >> > > > -- > > Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT @fergbyrne > > http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology > http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne > > Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - > https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex > Co-creator @OccupyStartups Time-Bombed Open License > http://occupystartups.me > > Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC > Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines > > e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 > Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org > Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie > -- Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT @fergbyrne http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex Co-creator @OccupyStartups Time-Bombed Open License http://occupystartups.me Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie
