Why not this is as good as spam!
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From: "Michael Stearne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "vic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Dana Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
On 1/13/06, vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am tired of this conservative bashing. I am leaving this list!!
g b all
Don't cut and run.
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From: "Dana Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
> Jim,
>
> This is my last response to you, because you seem to be doing what
> many right-wing politicians are quite good at: changing the subject.
>
> This shouldn't be a discussion about whether the municipal networks
> are going to work or not. I dare-say that common sense tells us that
> some number will be successful, and some number will not. How you
> evaluate their outcomes relies almost entirely on your point of view.
>
> The real, fundamental problem is that America has slow, expensive,
> and only partially available broadband when compared to just about
> every other industrialized nation. This is especially embarrassing
> considering that we invented the damn technology, and nurtured it for
> its first two decades.
>
> This is a _fact_. No amount of hewing and hawing, or dancing around
> the subject will change this.
>
> Another fact: our sorry state of broadband has occurred over the past
> 5 years. A period of time when Conservative Republicans have been
> running this country and calling (almost) all of the shots.
>
> So, there arise really two questions (which you seem to be entirely
> unable to answer and which is why, I suspect, you'd rather change the
> subject):
>
> 1) Why is the state of broadband in America so awful?
> and
> 2) What are you going to do about it?
>
> This is less a question for you directly, but rather a question for
> those in charge of this Country.
>
> And the answer _isn't_ more competition in the future and a more open
> marketplace with fewer regulations. THAT is an end result of good
> policy-making. I want to know what we're doing that's failing, and
> what we should be doing instead. If we put in place good policy, more
> competition in a healthy marketplace will happen by itself.
>
> And I'm not pro-muniwireless or anti-muniwireless, or left-wing or
> right-wing, or even Republican or Democrat. I'm an independent.
>
> Dana Spiegel
> Executive Director
> NYCwireless
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Jim Henry wrote:
>
>> Dana,
>> I've read the article you reference, and, like the one I
>> provided a link
>> to, it is interesting. They make some good points. However, like
>> the PFF
>> paper, it's an advocacy document. I found no mention of municipalities
>> failing, or at least not doing as well, as commercial enterprises in
>> delivering critical services. There are certainly examples, such as
>> Philadelphia's PGW or NYC's water utility (nowhere near as bad as
>> PGW I'm
>> sure, but failing to meter water is still pretty bad). No mention of a
>> possible negative outcome from a municipal offering.
>> I am not too familiar with freepress.net but from checking their
>> web
>> site, even though they claim to be non-partisan the stories they
>> offer seem
>> to be coming from a leftist point of view.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>>> Of Dana Spiegel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:06 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
>>> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should do a bit more research.
>>>
>>> The PFF is well known to rely on half-truths and misrepresentations
>>> of fact to support their anti-municipal agenda.
>>>
>>> Free Press has released a white paper that provides the whole story,
>>> and if you look at government broadband initiatives, they are
>>> overwhelmingly cost saving and beneficial to local communities.
>>>
>>> http://www.freepress.net/docs/mb_white_paper.pdf
>>>
>>> Also, PFF's supporters include (and are primarily) every incumbent
>>> telecom and cable company: http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html
>>>
>>> While this isn't a problem in and of itself, it should make you
>>> wonder where their views and motivations are coming from.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dana Spiegel
>>> Executive Director
>>> NYCwireless
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> www.NYCwireless.net
>>> +1 917 402 0422
>>>
>>> Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Jim Henry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's an interesting study on government going into the telecom
>>>> business.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pff.org/issues-pubs/pops/pop11.3govtownership.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
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