Hi Brent and all, I think that this bird looks within range for European Whimbrel ( *N.p.phaeopus*). European Whimbrels have more extensive white on the underwings than do our American ones, and this taxon seems an okay fit for the bird in question. The upperwing looks okay for either species, and I don't see anything about the bird that compellingly points towards Eurasian Curlew.
The bill looks acceptable for Whimbrel as well, with the obvious caveat that the angle of the photos is far less than optimal for assessing shape and length. All this said, the quality of the photos limits the amount that we can definitively draw from the photos provided. -Doug On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:19 PM Brent Bomkamp <bbomk...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not to present too provocative of an opinion, but there may be an argument > that this bird is a Eurasian Curlew. The second photo shows significant > barring in the secondaries extending into the inner primaries. This > feature is absent in both “European” and “Eurasian” Whimbrel, which show a > clean demarcation between the secondaries and primaries, with the primaries > being darker and only slightly barred on the inner webs of the innermost > feathers. This is depicted in figures 9 and 10 on p. 110 of O’Brien, > Crossley, and Karlson. > > However, this feature is obvious in Eurasian Curlew as drawn in Svensson > and Grant. A quick Google image search shows the characteristic as well. > Perhaps birders with greater palearctic experience could corroborate this > conclusion. > > While O’Brien et al refers to European Whimbrel as a spring vagrant to the > east coast and Eurasian Curlew as a fall visitor, records are sporadic > enough that no trend is obvious. In addition, on eBird most Eurasian > Curlew records from the Massachusetts/New York area appear to be from the > late winter-early spring time frame. > > Depending on one’s perspective, the sole verbal description of the bird as > having a “...long curved bill...” could be seen as additional support for > Curlew, as compared with the relatively shorter curved bill of Whimbrel. > However, lacking further description by the observer including body > coloration, structure, underwing pattern, and vocalizations, neither > species can be conclusively supported IMO. > > Brent Bomkamp > Eatons Neck > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 1:57 PM Angus Wilson <oceanwander...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Like Bob Paxton I was initially puzzled by the square shape of the white >> wedge, especially in first image (ML94655071) but accept it looks a little >> better in the second image (ML94655101). Is it correc to assume the dark >> blob is the heavy barring on the upperside of the tail? >> >> I considered Greater Yellowlegs based on the first image but that ID >> would be hard reconcile with seeing a decurved bill (mentioned in Cesar's >> original posting) but with the caveat that the bill shape is hard to >> discern from the photos accompanying the checklist. That said, I'm not >> seeing an obvious foot extension beyond the tail, which does fit with it >> being a Whimbrel. Are there any more photos even if not as sharp? >> >> So-called 'White-rumped Whimbrels' are genuine vagrants to eastern North >> America with a handful of April and May records. Tagging such birds as >> either 'European' or 'Eurasian/Siberian' is tricky because three subspecies >> (N. p. phaeopus, N. p. alboaxillaris and N. p. variegatus) need to be >> considered. Steppe Whimbrel (alboaxillaris) is no longer numerous and >> pretty unlikely, but the other two are serious contenders, with nominate >> 'European' Whimbrel (phaeopus) more likely perhaps in spring and the very >> similar 'Siberian' Whimbrel (variegatus) a sensible possibility in the >> fall. If I recall correctly, the tail and upper tail coverts of variegatus >> are darker than phaeopus. >> >> Fun stuff! >> >> Angus Wilson >> New York City >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Jose Ramirez-Garofalo < >> jose.ramirez.garof...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It’s a European Whimbrel >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:09 Robert Paxton <r...@columbia.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> The Eurasian Whimbrel doesn't have a white line up the back but a white >>>> wedge, broad at the base and narrowing up to a point in the middle back. >>>> Bob Paxton >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Isaac Grant <hosesbroadb...@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> That Whimbrel photo seems to show a Eurasian Whimbrel. Looks like a >>>>> white line going up the back in the one photo and barred whitish tail. >>>>> Super cool. >>>>> >>>>> Isaac Grant >>>>> Senior Loan Officer >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Cesar Castillo <czar3...@yahoo.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I walked out from the Fishermans parking lot at Fort Tilden to Breezy >>>>> Point jetty. On the long march back a Whimbrel flew towards me and then >>>>> past me. I got some bad photos of it as it flew away, but you can still >>>>> see the curved bill and whitish rump of this largish shorebird. Other >>>>> good >>>>> finds included a small flock of White-winged Scoters in the choppy waters >>>>> and hundreds of Northern Gannets, Purple Sandpipers and up to 8 Piping >>>>> Plovers. Some breeding plumage Common Loons. I thought I saw a seal as I >>>>> approached the jetty but it dove down and never popped up again. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a link to the e-bird report. >>>>> >>>>> https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44596163 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Afterwards I stopped by Big Egg Marsh and on the way out I found a >>>>> Tricolored Heron. It was in the marshy area found between the bridge to >>>>> the Rockaways, the parking lot and the baseball fields. Very easy to >>>>> photograph from that spot even with my 300mm. >>>>> See checklist below. >>>>> >>>>> https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44599081 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> César >>>>> >>>>> Una tarde la princesa vio una estrella aparecer; la princesa era >>>>> traviesa y la quiso ir a coger. >>>>> La quería para hacerla decorar un prendedor, con un verso y una >>>>> perla, una pluma y una flor. >>>>> Las princesas primorosas se parecen mucho a ti; cortan lirios, >>>>> cortan rosas, cortan astros. 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