IMO, flushing any wildlife for something as ephemeral and trivial as a photograph is certainly tasteless and at times harmful harassment. I mean, does the world really and truly need the 154,456,306th "amazing close up shot of a Snowy Owl"? Really? Most of this photography falls in the trophy category no? These are protected species for a reason. A wise and humane field ethic ought to be respectful of these creatures natural dignity and right to be left alone. Long lens and patience will get most folk a nice memento. Give the birds some room.
John Laver On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:03 PM, John Cancalosi <[email protected]>wrote: > As a lowly photographer ,(not the one in question), I am grateful for yet > another reminder that I, and those like me, are inextricably wallowing in a > Stygian morass of moral terpitude, while those of a higher calling look > down in righteuos judgement upon our nefarious activities, with both of > their feet firmly planted on the immutable, lofty pinnacles of moral high > ground. > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM, McIntyre, Annie (LI) < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Folks let’s not do this AGAIN. Photogs vs birders… we’ve all seen >> offenders on both sides. It’s a pleasure reading this list to hear about >> the birds that are around, but not so much the squabbles. Better done in >> private conversation. >> >> >> >> Good birding! >> >> Annie McIntyre >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Lake, Thomas R >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:38 AM >> *To:* Meena Madhav Haribal; NYSBIRDS-L >> *Subject:* RE:[nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left >> becuase of yell >> >> >> >> >> >> * "If the photographer was approaching very cautiously and did not make >> the owl scared of him then he has not done anything wrong except he has >> approached closer."* >> >> >> >> *Buy better optics! Getting closer is **NEVER** the answer.* >> >> >> >> *Tom Lake* >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [ >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Meena Madhav >> Haribal [[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:49 AM >> *To:* NYSBIRDS-L >> *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left >> becuase of yell >> >> Hello all, >> >> Bob Adamo wrote this and I have highlighted his reactions! >> >> >> >> Subject: 1 Snowy, + 1 terrible photographer = 1 stressed bird + 1 call to >> the cops ! >> From: robert adamo <[email protected]> >> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:42:29 -0500 >> X-Message-Number: 13 >> >> " I stopped, got out of my car, and *yelled to* >> * him to stop, that what he was doing was against the law*. He heard me >> and >> dismissed me. I then took his license plate #, and called the police. I >> * called out to him again, he listened to all I said, and proceeded to >> move* >> * closer to the bird, after telling me "there are no signs saying I can't*". >> While I was still on the phone, the snowy took off, heading west. The >> police said they were responding, and armed with the plate # and >> description of the idiot's SUV, they might catch up to him ! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I felt I must say something here. If the photographer was approaching >> very cautiously and did not make the owl scared of him then he has not done >> anything wrong except he has approached closer. Sometimes animals can >> tolerate non-scary humans and permit them to go close enough. So it is >> better to observe photographers behavior and the animal's reaction before >> being officious and call police. All you know the bird must have got >> disturbed by your (Bob Adamo's) yelling at him and all the following >> activities as probably the owl perceived it as two encounters approaching >> him/her. >> >> >> >> I have observed birders, including those who call themselves as experts >> do all sort of things, for example, chasing a tired migratory bird till >> they have had satisfied look. Oh! They seem to have right because they are >> birders and not photographers. So birders have right to do whatever they >> feel is right even though the birds may be stressed for example by >> continuously playing playbacks (Oh boy! how many of those I have seen). I >> have had amazing experiences when I have approached the birds or animals >> very cautiously and slowly in a non-threatening way. They even have kind of >> responded to me in a positive way. So by being closer if you are not >> threatening the subjects of your interest then there is nothing wrong as >> long as you know when and where to stop. >> >> >> >> The knee-jerk reaction of being closer equals threatening birds is a >> wrong notion. So be careful of your own reactions. And also have patience >> to observe the behavior of the photographers before you decide to take any >> actions! So best thing is if someone is photographing a bird is to leave >> the location ASAP for the photographer to get a good photo as he has >> approached the bird before you have! >> >> >> >> >> >> Meena >> >> PS: I am not a bird photographer, though occasionally I shoot birds but >> mostly insect photographer where the insects have let me approach them as >> close as a centimeter and still they have not flown away and shown amazing >> behaviors! >> >> >> >> Meena Haribal >> >> Ithaca NY 14850 >> >> 42.429007,-76.47111 >> >> http://haribal.org/ >> >> http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >> >> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >> >> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >> >> Subscribe, Configuration and >> Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >> >> *Archives:* >> >> The Mail >> Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html> >> >> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >> >> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >> >> *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> >> *!* >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >> >> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >> >> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >> >> Subscribe, Configuration and >> Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >> >> *Archives:* >> >> The Mail >> Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html> >> >> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >> >> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >> >> *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> >> *!* >> >> -- >> -- >> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >> Subscribe, Configuration and >> Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >> *Archives:* >> The Mail >> Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html> >> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >> *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> >> *!* >> -- >> > > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > -- John L *Goals are dreams with deadlines.* -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
